brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | haha
Goodbye Vonage. Now I get to taunt my friend about him saying they are the best. |
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27 | Ripe for picking...
I think Verizon could buy up Vonage and offer their own VoIP or sit on it. Then go after Comcast and others...jsut a matter of time...  |
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI | Can you say...
Goodbye VoIP, Hello 28¢ per min long distance? |
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mb
join:2000-07-23
Washington, NJ
 ·Comcast
 ·Callcentric
·Vonage
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Interesting!
Interesting, if Vonage has no workaround, it can be inferred that one does not exist. One would then assume that other providers aren't utilizing such non-existent technology and consequently, are in the same position as Vonage.
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NowVOIP
In the beginning there was POTS
join:2006-03-05
Round Lake, IL
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| I wouldn't go as far as to say one doesn't exist. I think you are inferring too much from this statement. It could be that Vonage, given its poor financial health anyhow, doesn't have the money to restructure its whole network to work with any work around.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to cableties
Re: Ripe for picking...
If it is true and Verizon does go after Comcast, you will see a MAJOR fight. Comcast having to play by extremely restrictive rules on cable TV deployment and then losing their phone product would make Brian Roberts have a stroke.  |
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Mactron
el camino Real
Premium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
| Hope this drags out
Hope this drags out.
I want to complete my free year of Sunrocket service before VZ goes after them.
Fingers crossed. 
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priller
join:2000-10-20
Gainesville, VA
1 edit | reply to brianiscool
Vonage is just the first!!!
Be careful what you wish for!
Vonage isn't doing something other VoIP providers aren't. Vonage was just the first target. If the judgment against them holds, all others will be shutdown as well. This is only a test case. |
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JuzT Blase
@spcsdns.net
| Vonage
with all the service outages they have been having lately sounds like to me they are testing some new work around... I bet they are saying this to bs the new judge and verzion ... you knoe lure them in and give verzion a sense of security that they won then bam! look what we got... |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL | uhh Duh..
There's a big DUH. |
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NowVOIP
In the beginning there was POTS
join:2006-03-05
Round Lake, IL
·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to priller
Re: Vonage is just the first!!!
DT, i would hate to disagree, but you are wrong. This lawsuit, has bearing on only a select few VOIP companies that actually using the "patented" technology. There are several including Cable that do not use the technology and as such VZ would be powerless to stop them.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
|  reply to brianiscool
Re: haha
Everybody is looking past 1 fact. And that is Vonage can pay royalties to Verizon. It may raise the rates they must charge to customers but they can stay in business.
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FIOS
·Vonage
·magicjack.com
| said by TKJunkMail  :Everybody is looking past 1 fact. And that is Vonage can pay royalties to Verizon. It may raise the rates they must charge to customers but they can stay in business. Isn't that is assuming that Verizon and the court accepts that? ... Does Vonage has sufficient financing to withstand months and months of legal fees and still stay afloat?
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swintec
Premium
join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME | Well..
Well this is just great. I hope that Voicepulse is in a better position that Vonage is. |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: 
| Context does matter....
Vonage made this statement to the appeals court in the hopes that they would make permanent the emergency stay the court granted the other day.
What would you expect them to say? "we have a workaround and can roll it out tomorrow?"
They'd be shooting themselves in the foot.
Obviously they don't have a workaround in place today but publicly they did say a couple days ago that they do have one in the development phase and it's a high priority.
It would obviously be bad for them if the appeals court shut off their ability to take on new customers during the appeals process. But, I'm not so sure that they wouldn't then pretty quickly come up with a workaround if they had to. Other companies are saying they aren't even affected by this Verizon~Vonage decision and so there must be workarounds out there that are effective. It would also seem to me that Vonage could buy out one of these smaller players and use their technology if need be.
And so, I think that their statement to the court needs to be taken in context of who they're making the statement to..and for what purpose. Obviously, if they want the stay to be granted, they also want the situation to sound as bad as possible.
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priller
join:2000-10-20
Gainesville, VA
·voip.ms
·Callcentric
·Vonage
·callwithus
1 edit | reply to NowVOIP
Re: Vonage is just the first!!!
That could very well be.
However, one key point of Vonage's defense was that they use Commercial Off-the-shelf or OpenSource software to operate the network. If true, that would strongly imply that many others are exposed to the same patent infringement.
If the above is true ... I've often wondered if VZ was going after the right people. Shouldn't they be going after the developers that wrote the software that contains the patents instead of the network operator that is using it? |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to Jeffrey
Re: haha
said by Jeffrey :said by TKJunkMail :Everybody is looking past 1 fact. And that is Vonage can pay royalties to Verizon. It may raise the rates they must charge to customers but they can stay in business. Isn't that is assuming that Verizon and the court accepts that? ... Does Vonage has sufficient financing to withstand months and months of legal fees and still stay afloat? Vonage might not have enough resources to do both, but they made their choice and will live or die by it. But other VOIP providers that may be violating the Verizon patents can negotiate or fight - their choice.
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Michieru_
@dadeschools.net | reply to ib50MbSoon
Re: Can you say...
It's 4.99 per minute to call to Peru without a calling plan using AT&T.
Your 28 cents is something that would actually be a blessing. |
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Jim Gurd
Premium
join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
·Comcast
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: haha
said by TKJunkMail :Everybody is looking past 1 fact. And that is Vonage can pay royalties to Verizon. It may raise the rates they must charge to customers but they can stay in business. Even if that's true they would then lose their only competitive edge which is a lower price. Without a lower price there is no reason to leave the reliability of POTS.
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trparky
Bite My Shiny Metal Ass
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
clubs:
·AT&T U-Verse
| Can anyone explain...
Can anyone explain to me what patents have been violated? Why does Verizon have this issue with Vonage? What did Vonage do?
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