blackflag
join:2006-01-31
Lakeland, FL | how is this wrong?
Who's to blame? |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ | said by blackflag  :Who's to blame? Both sides are. |
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
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join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL | reply to blackflag
Access point vendors are to blame. Access points are still on sale that only support 802.11b and WEP. |
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ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
 ·RCN CABLE
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It is only wrong cause this idiot was leeching the connection. Come on this guy had cardboard up in his windows, he was planning on being there for awhile. Why didn't he just go to local hotspot and chill. Maybe now he will invest in a better wifi card/antenna and grab signals from inside his home instead |
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manfmmd
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join:2003-01-14
Earth
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Don't blame 802.11b. 
Perhaps they are still selling that hardware because therre is a market for it, but every vendor also offers an AP that is capable of WPA or WPA/WPA2...
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bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
| I was on the road in a sales position and
back then the only way for me to get email etc was to freeload of unprotected wireless connections. You would be shocked at the number of these available. Sometimes in shopping centers I could get 3 or 4 unsecured connections from stores that probably had credit card numbers on file. Drive a half a block up any residential street anywhere and find 2 or 3 to choose from.
The average person has no idea about PC security, wireless or otherwise. My son in law leaves his wireless router unsecured so that when his friends are over there is no hassle with them connecting. |
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weedahoe
join:2003-09-14
Duluth, GA
| Agreed, I blame both parties but more to the access point side because they knew what he was doing and did nothing (assumingly) to secure thier network. Of coarse strange and unknown people will come into your house if you leave your doors and windows open. |
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Goober
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
| said by weedahoe :Agreed, I blame both parties but more to the access point side because they knew what he was doing and did nothing (assumingly) to secure thier network. Of coarse strange and unknown people will come into your house if you leave your doors and windows open. Still doesn't make it legal. |
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ROCINANTE 2112
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join:1999-06-29
Hartsdale, NY
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Bad analogy. Why do people keep using it to compare with unsecured access to a network?
Volumes of criminal laws and torts exist for real property and specifically a residence. You cannot enter a residence just because it was unsecured. There is no implied invitation even if it is unsecured. Try blaming the homeowner in front of a judge and observe how he laughs at you while he increases your sentence for stupidity.
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m8trix
join:2003-12-24
Phoenix, AZ | reply to blackflag
Re: how is this wrong?
the guy was probably playing WoW...lol |
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anomus
@rr.com
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Hek yea there's a market. I have been using cantennas and Linky/DD-wrt wireless access pushing 2 years now at home to anonomously DL movies by the terrabyte. I have all their passwords reset so all my setups stay put and the trouble making riff raff stays off. Nobody complains and nothing ever changes. Booting me is as simple as pushing the reset button and it has only happened twice. But I am surrounded with perpetual open access so it's 2 down and 20 still available. And I haven't even plugged in my converted satilite dish for more distant choices.  I love WiFi and I love being anonomous... |
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lrtc
join:2004-06-05
Toronto | reply to ROCINANTE 2112
Re: I was on the road in a sales position and
Is there a law that deals with wireless signal theft for this situation? Or is this a matter of morals. This is an endless debate, just like the morality of download etc. It's not illegal if you don't get caught :P |
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garyprud
join:2005-07-09
Prospect, KY | reply to ROCINANTE 2112
Last I heard - the airwaves are still public domain. broadcasts there are still free to anyone who wants to purchase or make a receiver to pick up signals. Quitcher bitchin. |
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Iridium
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join:2003-04-02
Los Angeles, CA
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| reply to ROCINANTE 2112
said by ROCINANTE 2112 :Bad analogy. Why do people keep using it to compare with unsecured access to a network? Volumes of criminal laws and torts exist for real property and specifically a residence. You cannot enter a residence just because it was unsecured. There is no implied invitation even if it is unsecured. Try blaming the homeowner in front of a judge and observe how he laughs at you while he increases your sentence for stupidity. You are not supposed to enter, but people do it every day. So why not even give people the opportunity to come on in. It would be nice to leave your door open, but stupid to do so. Ignorance of wireless security is not an excuse.
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DataDoc
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join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC
·Suddenlink
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said by garyprud :Last I heard - the airwaves are still public domain. broadcasts there are still free to anyone who wants to purchase or make a receiver to pick up signals. Quitcher bitchin. Nonsense. It's not the receiving that is the problem, it's transmitting back and using someone's resources without permission. And it's not the quantity, it's the act.
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
| Since when did the law guarantee payment?
The way they phrase it, the crime here was the man saving money. I think that's the great thing about Wifi on unlimited internet, it can be shared without costing the owner much. If it's shared without preferential treatment to the data going over it, the person sharing is a common carrier. It becomes a bad thing when the person sharing intended to not share the connection, or share it to only a group of authorized users. Also its trespassing if the freeloader was hanging out on their property to do this. |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
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Uhh no one is to blame?
I blame the cops cause they made it a big deal.
From my house with a 24dBi grid and a 500mW amplifier I can pick up no less than 48 different Wifi networks.
Alas I have 10mbit cable thus no use for the 48, but it just goes to show...
This has been legal 'gray area' for uhh like 5 years now, so I would assume at this point any open network might as well be considered free for use.
As a favorite saying goes: I use the isp called 'linksys' - it has great national coverage! |
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bjl
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join:2002-05-02
Newport Beach, CA | reply to ossito16
Re: how is this wrong?
it was the local hot spot... at least for him.  |
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La Luna
Surviving Ashraful
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join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
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Re: I was on the road in a sales position and
said by garyprud :Last I heard - the airwaves are still public domain. broadcasts there are still free to anyone who wants to purchase or make a receiver to pick up signals. Quitcher bitchin. "Airwaves"? LOL....
Tell that to the ISP when you get charged with theft of service, which IS illegal.
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exocet_cm
I am the law
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join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
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