moonpuppy
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Glen Burnie, MD | Interesting
Now Congress is looking into the whole thing. Seems maybe a few letters made it far enough to at least shed light on the issue. |
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
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or we all lose. Including the RIAA which basically would walk away from money on the table as it stands currently.
I didn't think the RIAA/satellite royalty terms were publicly available (non-disclosure agreement). But I think 7.5%*R is an amount almost everyone can live with. |
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TKJunkMail
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1 edit |  Check out this bill here
You can check out this bill here:
»thomas.loc.gov/
Enter H.R.2060
or
select Rep Inslee
This bill may not go far. It has been assigned to 2 House sub-committees for consideration. And the House is very busy dealing with other subjects.
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Cabal
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join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA | reply to moonpuppy
Re: Interesting
I know I'd be thrilled to have the government tell me what my revenue rate can be... |
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AnonProxy
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ß | WTF is wrong with this world
Broadcast radio pays how much? I could see if these services were subscription based but none of the cool ones are they should have to pay $0 to the RIAA. |
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gwbuffalo
join:2001-12-08
Mokena, IL
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Re: Check out this bill here
Right, which they have no freaking power to actually do anything. It's a waste of time and the Dems should be flogged for this kind of crap. Take care of your JOB and get this kind of stuff taken care of!
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL | reply to moonpuppy
Re: Interesting
If 99% of these outfits barely make enough cash to pay expenses, why is the RIAA worrying about them?
With EMI allowing DRM-free music, I think the cracks in the RIAA's ruthless tactics are showing. |
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DaSneaky1D
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join:2001-03-29
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Re: WTF is wrong with this world
Broadcast radio helps promote new music, so they're helping the RIAA by stearing people to buy music.
Net radio doesn't promote music. Each radio station simply broadcasts a narrow genre of music to a pointed demographic of listeners who are totally unwilling to buy albums of artists they hear.
If you haven't already figured it out, all the marketing data has determined that in order to sell music, "the industry" must play broad swaths of tastes on every station because that's the only way to catch the majority of your customers.
Allowing these net radio stations to play music they know their listeners want to hear (while having near perfect metrics to prove how long each listener stays, and who requests what) and introduce new music/artists from within the same genre JUST DOESN'T WORK! The listeners never become new customers for the RIAA....and they know that.
Think about it, when was the last time you or any one else, actually bought tracks or whole albums because of what you heard over Internet broadcasted radio?
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jamez818
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join:2000-09-18
Sunland, CA | reply to gwbuffalo
Re: Check out this bill here
What does this have to do with Democrats? A republican is in this bill too.
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
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Re: WTF is wrong with this world
Wonder how this will affect stations like the ones you can find on "screaming radio" or the ones you get on Audiojack? Guess I'll go back to just sitting in front of the FM stereo and go back to recording music that way. Glad I didn't toss my cassette deck.  |
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
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I don't agree with your assessment that net radio doesn't translate into sales. Although music buyers in specific genre's will certainly put more $ in the used market since the labels only press a few percentage points of their catalog at any given time.
Even if this were absolutely true and net listeners never buy music, it comes down to whether the RIAA wants to collect 7.5% of net-casters revenue or not. |
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gwbuffalo
join:2001-12-08
Mokena, IL
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said by DaSneaky1D  :Think about it, when was the last time you or any one else, actually bought tracks or whole albums because of what you heard over Internet broadcasted radio? I do, pretty much every week. You're totally wrong in every point that you make. To say that net radio only attracts people who are unwilling to buy music has no basis in reality. I listen to net radio all the time and I have well over 3000 cds in my collection.
The only way to catch a majority of customers is by playing broad swaths of tastes?? I don't think so. Pretty much every broadcast radio station sticks to a genre and satellite radio even more so. I believe having a specific genre of music being played on a station increases the odds of selling more cds. Recently I started listening to the Pogues again after a few years of really not paying attention to them. I created a Pandora station using the Pogues as a centerpiece and have discovered a bunch of new bands I like and as such have purchased a bunch of cds that I wouldn't have otherwise bought if Internet radio wasn't around.
Internet radio is good for exposing people to new bands, especially in genres that you won't really find on the normal radio dial.
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Jehu
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Re: Interesting
said by Cabal :I know I'd be thrilled to have the government tell me what my revenue rate can be...
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: WTF is wrong with this world
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Think about it, when was the last time you or any one else, actually bought tracks or whole albums because of what you heard over Internet broadcasted radio?
I do as well. Via Pandora and eMusic. |
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gwbuffalo
join:2001-12-08
Mokena, IL
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Re: Check out this bill here
I meant the Dems trying to pass bills on where troops should be and shouldn't be. That's the job of the President and nobody else. They're wasting our time and our tax dollars to make a political statement. I applaud anyone on either side who takes this Internet radio bill and runs with it. The Copyright board's decision was absolutely insane.
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gwbuffalo
join:2001-12-08
Mokena, IL
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Re: WTF is wrong with this world
said by kaila :Even if this were absolutely true and net listeners never buy music, it comes down to whether the RIAA wants to collect 7.5% of net-casters revenue or not. They don't, they want much, MUCH more. The decision of the Copyright panel would have put most Internet radio stations out of business. 7.5% of revenues is a much fairer sounding number.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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It's not the RIAA that gets the money. Royalty collection organizations like ASCAP and BMI collect the money. What webcasters will be paying is a percentage of what they make. 7.5% will not break anybody's bank. That's the way it should be. I don't see anything wrong with artists getting a little piece of the profits of webcasters. |
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rich135
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Think about it, when was the last time you or any one else, actually bought tracks or whole albums because of what you heard over Internet broadcasted radio? All the time. Once per week. Sometimes more. |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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Re: Interesting
said by Cabal :I know I'd be thrilled to have the government tell me what my revenue rate can be... Copyright law is all about making sure artists are compensated for when you make money off of their work. It's only fair that you pay a percentage of what you make when you the money you make relies on other people's material. What would you rather have? A per song charge that will suck the life out of a webcaster's livelihood or paying less than 10% of the money you bring in?
In regards to cost of doing business the latter is way more doable and fair. |
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