RichNice
join:2003-01-09
Columbia, MD | Now that the company will survive...
....what is next? Looks like it's time for consolidation!!! |
|
nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| now I understand!
Verizon: laying fiber, future proofing their network, bringing blazing speeds to customers - earnings down because they are spending money on fiber
AT&T: slower investment, building the future network on the cheap, has to limit speeds because of lack of bandwidth - GREAT EARNINGS! investors happy!
Qwest: pretty much no investment in future networks, plodding along in the 90s - TRIPLE PROFIT! investors really happy!
So, to recap: build the network needed for the future, get slapped by investors; limit investment (or no investment), get rewarded.
No wonder the U.S. is 15th and falling. |
|
batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | Let them eat dog food.
Good move Quest, cut promised benefits to those that built the company. That is a desperate move by a dieing company; Turn out the lights, the party is over. |
|
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| FTTN, not FTTH
Seems to me they've made it pretty clear they're primarily going to rely on FTTN for the most part. May not be the bazillion megabytes BBR posters claim is necessary, but you're still looking at up to 24M if and when they go ADSL2+, and that's a hell of a lot faster than the 1.5M they offer from most of their remote DSLAMs now.
The way I understand it, their FTTH deployments have been mostly with new construction where the developer contracted with Qwest from the beginning.
They may not have announced details about network upgrades, but you can bet it's happening behind the scenes- people aren't going to be satisfied with 1.5M from their remote DSLAMs for long.
With Verizon only getting 10% penetration for FIOS the first year and 15% after that, it'll be a while before there's a nationwide effort to deliver FTTH. |
|
batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| FTTN; Fiber To The Node.
FTTH; Fiber To The Hub.
FTTP; Fiber To The Premise.
FTTC; Fiber To The Curb.
FIOS; COMING TO MY HOUSE.
»/showpic/dimag···7&sort=v |
|
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to batterup
Re: Let them eat dog food.
said by batterup  :Good move Quest, cut promised benefits to those that built the company. That is a desperate move by a dieing company; Turn out the lights, the party is over. Umm... huh? After years of losing money after the US West / Qwest merger and paying off some $10 billion in debt, they're now making money, profits are up and the stock price has gone from under $1 to $9. I'm not sure that's how you characterize a dieing dying company. |
|
TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to nasadude
Re: now I understand!
said by nasadude :Verizon: laying fiber, future proofing their network, bringing blazing speeds to customers - earnings down because they are spending money on fiber AT&T: slower investment, building the future network on the cheap, has to limit speeds because of lack of bandwidth - GREAT EARNINGS! investors happy! Qwest: pretty much no investment in future networks, plodding along in the 90s - TRIPLE PROFIT! investors really happy! So, to recap: build the network needed for the future, get slapped by investors; limit investment (or no investment), get rewarded. No wonder the U.S. is 15th and falling. The percentage changes in the last 2 yrs of the 3 companies stock prices appear to bear out your analysis:
Verizon(blue); AT&T(red); Qwest(green)
Verizon stock price up 10% last 2 yrs
AT&T up 62%
Qwest up 160%
Of course Qwest stock price initially was so low that a big percentage increase was much easier to do.
--
--
Internet News
My BLOG
My Web Page |
|
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to batterup
Re: FTTN, not FTTH
said by batterup :FTTN; Fiber To The Node. FTTH; Fiber To The Hub. FTTP; Fiber To The Premise. FTTC; Fiber To The Curb. FIOS; COMING TO MY HOUSE. » /showpic/dimag···7&sort=v Sorry duder, but you might want to have a clue what you're talking about before trying to correct others.
FTTH: Fiber To The Home; the more commonly used equivalent of FTTP: Fiber To The Premise.
FTTN: Fiber To The Neighborhood and Fiber To The Node used interchangably and having the same meaning. |
|
batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to dynodb
Re: Let them eat dog food.
said by dynodb :said by batterup :Good move Quest, cut promised benefits to those that built the company. That is a desperate move by a dieing company; Turn out the lights, the party is over. Umm... huh? After years of losing money after the US West / Qwest merger and paying off some $10 billion in debt, they're now making money, profits are up and the stock price has gone from under $1 to $9. I'm not sure that's how you characterize a dieing dying company. They are taking one time short sighted measures that alienate employees. at&t and Verizon don't want them. Guess why? |
|
batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to dynodb
Re: FTTN, not FTTH
said by dynodb :said by batterup :FTTN; Fiber To The Node. FTTH; Fiber To The Hub. FTTP; Fiber To The Premise. FTTC; Fiber To The Curb. FIOS; COMING TO MY HOUSE. » /showpic/dimag···7&sort=v Sorry duder, but you might want to have a clue what you're talking about before trying to correct others. FTTH: Fiber To The Home; the more commonly used equivalent of FTTP: Fiber To The Premise. FTTN: Fiber To The Neighborhood and Fiber To The Node used interchangably and having the same meaning. I have been waiting for that.
»www.cel.com/pdf/glossary/opticacronyms.pdf
Read it a weep.
quote:
FTTH fiber to the hub
If you see it on the interweb you know it is true. |
|
batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: now I understand!
said by TKJunkMail :Verizon stock price up 10% last 2 yrs AT&T up 62% Qwest up 160% Enjoy it now the end is near. There is a reason at&t and Verizon didn't merge with Qwest and doesn't want to. |
|
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to batterup
Re: FTTN, not FTTH
ROFLMAO, Junior, I don't care what that one website by one company says- FTTH refers to Fiber To The Home, and that's how 99.9999% of those who use the term understand it.
"Fiber To The Hub" makes little sense since broadband isn't deployed from anything commonly referred to as a "hub". |
|
batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by dynodb :ROFLMAO, Junior, I don't care what that one website by one company says- FTTH refers to Fiber To The Home, and that's how 99.9999% of those who use the term understand it. "Fiber To The Hub" makes little sense since broadband isn't deployed from anything commonly referred to as a "hub". Junior?? I was building TPC long before you were a gleam in your father's eye. I might be your father. Was your mother ever in Bangkok? |
|
fiostech20
@verizon.net
| reply to dynodb
said by dynodb :ROFLMAO, Junior, I don't care what that one website by one company says- FTTH refers to Fiber To The Home, and that's how 99.9999% of those who use the term understand it. "Fiber To The Hub" makes little sense since broadband isn't deployed from anything commonly referred to as a "hub". Duder, thanks for telling us all how this guy is wrong, gee and to think that I have been going to the fiber "hub" to run my x-connect before going to the premises. I'm pissed, I'm going to have to bitch at someone because now I don't know what to call it.;) |
|
Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to batterup
Re: Let them eat dog food.
dynodb is an employee.
I'm curious, dynodb, what is the gist on these retiree benefit changes, and what's the opinion there at Qwest? |
|
fiberbaby
@verizon.net
| reply to dynodb
Re: FTTN, not FTTH
said by dynodb :ROFLMAO, Junior, I don't care what that one website by one company says- FTTH refers to Fiber To The Home, and that's how 99.9999% of those who use the term understand it. "Fiber To The Hub" makes little sense since broadband isn't deployed from anything commonly referred to as a "hub". Dude, batterup is 100% right, last I checked I stop at the fiber "hub" everytime I need to run my x-connect for a new customer. |
|
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: Let them eat dog food.
Employees and retirees alike haven't been 100% pleased with the last union contract, but there was a reality that had to be faced- Qwest was in financial trouble not so long ago, health care costs have gone up, and no one wanted to see more layoffs.
Also, few wanted to see a repeat of the 2 week 1998 strike that left a lot of hard feelings in it's wake, but a lot of us expected it would come to that.
Overall, there doesn't seem to be a lot of resentment though most former-US West employees wish the merger had never happened. |
|
John T
@northgrum.com
| reply to nasadude
Re: now I understand!
And let's not forget:
Verizon-- tries to bring fiber to richest neighborhoods first, still not making a lot of money off of it, gets attacked by activists for not losing even more money by running fiber to poor neighborhoods (who won't subscribe in as great numbers) at the same time.
Qwest-- No investment in future networks, more profit, activists are happy because no rich people are getting a better network than poor people; everybody's nice and equal with the same slow network.
Seems to be that as long as running FTTH is causing such a big drain on Verizon's bottom line, that it's a bit of putting the cart before the horse to insist that they have to upgrade everywhere all at once, even in areas that would be even more unprofitable than their current expansions.
It's not like a company like Verizon would target rich neighborhoods first because they hate poor people. They're trying to make money. If FiOS were making money then, sure, argue for making them take on money-losing areas as well for fairness. It just seems to me that it might be a little bit too early to be insisting on that when FiOS isn't even making them money right now. |
|
Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| quote:
Qwest-- No investment in future networks, more profit, activists are happy because no rich people are getting a better network than poor people; everybody's nice and equal with the same slow network.
Which activists would those be? |
|
batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to dynodb
Re: Let them eat dog food.
said by dynodb : dieing The wright [sic] way to right [sic] that would be dieing [sic]. |
|
