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Sounds like the standard "non" biased media to me. Benefits those that are in the know and keep everyone else informed with spin. |
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  TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ
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1 edit | How about because no one cares
Bruce Kushnick cares because he has had it in for big telco for years and has based his whole business(teletruth.org) on it. But the average person reading a newspaper could care less and the reporters and editors for those papers put in them what people are interested in. So that is why the press doesn't care - they aren't on some quest to destroy an industry like Bruce is. -- -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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  Pathfinder Dazed Confused Premium join:2000-03-26 Mount Vernon, NY | Yawn
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  BF69
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this idiot doesn't have any concern about the cable companies doing the same thing. I wonder who runs keepitlocaltennessee.com? Oh wait I know.
"Keep It Local Tennessee is a product of the Tennessee Cable Telecommunications Association" |
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I'm not sure anyone here has actually read the bastard, three-legged, inbred cousin of the NY Times that is the Newark Star-Ledger, but frankly I'm not surprised that they've essentially thrown journalistic integrity out the window in favor of having some op-ed space filled.
I mean, look at what they strive towards: the Old Grey Lady (who should've been put in a home long ago). -- Abortion is murder, Reagan was a hero, Clinton was a sleazeball, Iraq is much better off without Saddam, and the telcos are not trustworthy with American tax dollars. There! I've managed to offend a significant portion of BBR! |
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  TScheisskopf World News Trust
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Astroturf??!! On the Intertubes??!! Never! I refuse to believe that every voice on the Intertubes is not a single individual, passionately arguing a fully-formed and deeply-held personal position!
And especially here on BBR!
I'm not listening to this. Neener. Neener. Neener. Dammit.
Now, if you all will excuse me, I have to go send my life savings to DOVE. I learned about that on the Intertubes, too, and we know THAT'S true. |
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  marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
| reply to BF69 Re: I wonder why
said by BF69 :this idiot doesn't have any concern about the cable companies doing the same thing. I wonder who runs keepitlocaltennessee.com? Oh wait I know. "Keep It Local Tennessee is a product of the Tennessee Cable Telecommunications Association" They would have to be really asleep at the wheel to think any of the *CTA groups was a community non-profit organization. It tends to be pretty clear that they are industry based lobbying associations. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher |
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  knightmb Everybody Lies
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| reply to BF69 said by BF69 :this idiot doesn't have any concern about the cable companies doing the same thing. I wonder who runs keepitlocaltennessee.com? Oh wait I know. "Keep It Local Tennessee is a product of the Tennessee Cable Telecommunications Association" Exactly, I'm tired of seeing those same commercials.
Here is the owner of that "grass roots" domain.
Registrant: National Cable & Telecommunications Association 1724 Massachusetts Ave NW Washington, District of Columbia 20036 United States |
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| reply to TKJunkMail Re: How about because no one cares
True, Bruce is definitely one with an 'agenda' (one that I find not-without-foundation) but your comment is outside the point. Traditional media is indeed falling apart. There just doesn't seem to be any actual research, much less investigation, of sources.
I guess it comes down to how these articles are written-up. Is there any disclosure that the sources are funded by the interested parties? If not, absolutely inexcusable. If that's the case, the media are simply whores for passing on thinly-guised advertising.
If they are putting out the arguments, balancing them with opposing viewpoints, and disclosing the funding and organization, then there's certainly no problem with reporting those stories.
It's not about including stories people are interested in but doing so in a clear, balanced, and responsible manner. KM -- Don't Lie - Be Kind - Realize your Potential |
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  marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
| reply to knightmb Re: I wonder why
said by knightmb :said by BF69 :this idiot doesn't have any concern about the cable companies doing the same thing. I wonder who runs keepitlocaltennessee.com? Oh wait I know. "Keep It Local Tennessee is a product of the Tennessee Cable Telecommunications Association" Exactly, I'm tired of seeing those same commercials. Here is the owner of that "grass roots" domain. Registrant: National Cable & Telecommunications Association 1724 Massachusetts Ave NW Washington, District of Columbia 20036 United States That's my point... they don't present themselves as a grassroots organization at all. The first line you see on google is: "Trade organization of cable operators in the state." And then there is a Lobbyist Association's Ethics Legislative Summary on the front page. It would be nice if there was a line that said "This is state association of the National Cable & Telecommunications Association" too, but the about page is pretty clear that it is not a grassroots organization. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher |
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| reply to KoolMoe Re: How about because no one cares
said by KoolMoe :Traditional media is indeed falling apart. There just doesn't seem to be any actual research, much less investigation, of sources. I guess it comes down to how these articles are written-up. Is there any disclosure that the sources are funded by the interested parties? If not, absolutely inexcusable. If that's the case, the media are simply whores for passing on thinly-guised advertising. It's not about including stories people are interested in but doing so in a clear, balanced, and responsible manner. KM The press has almost never done what you claim they should do. From the earliest days of "yellow journalism", the press has always been nothing but a platform for advertisers and political parties. When they report the "truth", it is merely an accident. -- -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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| said by TKJunkMail :The press has almost never done what you claim they should do. From the earliest days of "yellow journalism", the press has always been nothing but a platform for advertisers and political parties. When they report the "truth", it is merely an accident. This is an interesting program that examines the issue:
»www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newswar/
It has some "political" context but I would suspect that there is enough blame to go around regardless of party...
Four hours, but it delves quite deeply into the reasons for the current situation. -- A is A |
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  xerxes3642
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breath here. Everytime anyone brings up atrocities from the telco's on this board, all I hear is "I don't care if you build a power plant in my front yard easment and stomp on puppies, if it leads to faster world of warcraft then I will support it."
there will be no increased speeds from this (not accelerated by the franchise anyway), no prices will drop and if anything, with AT&T now in both the satellite and cable business, there will eventually be less competition. |
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| reply to KoolMoe Re: How about because no one cares
said by KoolMoe :True, Bruce is definitely one with an 'agenda' (one that I find not-without-foundation) but your comment is outside the point. Traditional media is indeed falling apart. There just doesn't seem to be any actual research, much less investigation, of sources. So, what's Dan Rather doing these days? -- Everyday, thousands of new cars are delivered to their new owners with poorly-selected radio station presets. |
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  nixen Rockin' the Boxen Premium join:2002-10-04 Alexandria, VA
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| reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail :The press has almost never done what you claim they should do. From the earliest days of "yellow journalism", the press has always been nothing but a platform for advertisers and political parties. When they report the "truth", it is merely an accident. There's a difference between reporting with an agenda and not bothering to do basic research. That is, if you're going to quote a source, for whatever reason, one should at least do a basic check on the veracity of the source's information (lest you end up with an embarrassing factual error that gives your news organization a black eye). -- Everyday, thousands of new cars are delivered to their new owners with poorly-selected radio station presets. |
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1 edit | So what?
Remember, it's not a one way street. Let things change. They can always be changed back. Isn't that what we've seen with how the bells were broken up, now they are all back in the same bed? Guess it's gonna suck for those of you living is the back woods or towns off the path of big telco's offerings. As far as the press being asleep. Dude.. they have been down and out since the Nixon administration.. Where have you been? |
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  calvoiper
join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| What leads to higher prices?
I'm always amused by consumer groups saying that not doing things their way will lead to higher prices.
Consider this situation--how exactly will forced service to areas which don't economically support build-out NOT lead to higher prices from the provider overall? I mean, somebody's got to pay for extending that fiber that will be underused?
In reality, we see that this is one more wealth-redistribution effort--make video/broadband service in richer areas more expensive so that there will be lower prices in less expensive areas.
I can hardly wait 'till they begin advocating parking taxes on suburbs with wide streets and lots of parking to subsidize parking garage fees for those who live in areas where there are only "underserved parking needs"....
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  BF69
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| reply to marigolds Re: I wonder why
said by marigolds :said by knightmb :said by BF69 :this idiot doesn't have any concern about the cable companies doing the same thing. I wonder who runs keepitlocaltennessee.com? Oh wait I know. "Keep It Local Tennessee is a product of the Tennessee Cable Telecommunications Association" Exactly, I'm tired of seeing those same commercials. Here is the owner of that "grass roots" domain. Registrant: National Cable & Telecommunications Association 1724 Massachusetts Ave NW Washington, District of Columbia 20036 United States That's my point... they don't present themselves as a grassroots organization at all. The first line you see on google is: "Trade organization of cable operators in the state." And then there is a Lobbyist Association's Ethics Legislative Summary on the front page. It would be nice if there was a line that said "This is state association of the National Cable & Telecommunications Association" too, but the about page is pretty clear that it is not a grassroots organization. Yes the ABOUT page which the link is VERY small and at the bottom of the page which 99.9% of people don't look. Also the commericals do NOT make it clear that they are part of the cable industry. In fact they take every effort to look grassroots-like.
Well at least they are somewhat honest
"Myth Cable prices will be drastically reduced once BellSouth/AT&T, etc. enters the market." |
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  marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
| said by BF69 :Yes the ABOUT page which the link is VERY small and at the bottom of the page which 99.9% of people don't look. Also the commericals do NOT make it clear that they are part of the cable industry. In fact they take every effort to look grassroots-like. Having a small "About" link is nothing compared to the obfuscation behind Consumers for cable choice, TV4US, Rossmoor Computer Club, or Consumers for Tech Choice. Try to find anything even close to indicating that these organizations are industry lobbying representatives. TV4US is the only one that comes even slightly close to indicating that it is industry organization and not a citizen organization. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher |
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  marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
1 edit | reply to calvoiper Re: What leads to higher prices?
Well, you hit the nail completely on the head here.
The choices are between low priced services some and no service at all for many, higher priced services for many and no service for some, or high priced services for everyone and low priced services for a few.
Obviously the telcos prefer the first model and the cable companies are already in the last model. Consumer groups have preferred the middle model.
Which one an individual prefers probably depends on if you are part of the some, the few, or the many 
But to address the question of: "what leads to higher prices?" The answer is "Not infrastructure". Yes, someone has to pay for that underutilized fiber, but we are all well aware now that paying for the fiber is what makes television expensive. Paying for the programming is what makes television expensive. Ultimately, cheaper television comes in two forms: providing service to as many people as possible and making programming cheaper. The first one is easy, the second one is something that will never happen without intervention.
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