nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| good luck, Sonic
I wish them luck, but don't hold out much hope.
Unless and until they build out their own "last mile" to customers, they are doomed to extinction. As soon as they are perceived to be any sort of threat at all to ATT, they will be killed deader than a doorknob. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
|  Different Investment Idea
Instead of investing millions of dollars into equipment that could be rendered worthless should AT&T decide that they don't like this company, why not invest that money into obtaining a local franchise for the town in question and running their own network instead?
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PhoenixDown
-- Wants FIOS
Premium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs:   | reply to nasadude
Re: good luck, Sonic
So they are going to be Covad # 2 (or should I say Covad # 16 after the likes of Rhythms)?
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to nasadude
quote:
I wish them luck, but don't hold out much hope.
Sadly I agree. VDSL2 and ADSL2+ are great, but the real benefits are on really short loops. Drive around our town and you'll see AT&T has their VDSL2 VRADs *everywhere* (well, everywhere except en102  's tract  ). That's the way VDSL really needs to be deployed. Without access to those, such a small percentage of customers will see the true benefit of VDSL2 service that I'm not sure if this whole venture would really be worth it.
I guess if you look at it as Sonic wanting to become a competitive CLEC, that they might as well start out with the latest and greatest equipment. And I'm all for having someone to give Covad a run for thier money.
Either way, Dane has shown himself to be someone who wants to deliver a top quality product. He has one of the highest rated ISPs here, so I wish him the best.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| Yeah - I'll have to evaluate all carriers (again) once my contract is up... DSL-Ex hasn't been bad, however, my line isn't always that stable, and w/o a VRAD nearby, and no plans for at&t to build one, and DirecTv prices going up... why should I stay ? |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
·PHONE POWER
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| The Road Runner Cable has just been rocking for me. Constant 10/1 speeds, no glitches whatsoever (yet). I've just been pounding on it and it's performing great. And from the looks of things in the TW forum, TW seems to be in the process of upgrading from 10/1 to 15/2. If we get that in Santa Clarita it's going to be tough for AT&T or any of its resellers to get me back as a customer.
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
·Cox VOIP
·Skype
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southeast
·magicjack.com
| reply to nasadude
Who cares? FIOS isn't gonna share and neither is T. The CLEC model is pretty much a dead issue on DSL unless they decide to run their own lines. DSLX only keeps a great rating since DSLXGM fixes stuff after the people have spent years with their telephone support.
And, is the price really any much better than the Clecs? Not really. Covad is outrageously expensive. I see CLECs, in my crystal ball, being a "experiement" that never really worked. Gave some cheap prices on phone service till the ILECs got sick of the leeching.
Telocity didn't seem to last long. Covad went bankrupt already with cheap access. I don't see how Sonic .net is going to do any better unless the buy Sonic restaurant franchises. |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | reply to pnh102
Re: Different Investment Idea
Costs too much. |
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CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | reply to PhoenixDown
Re: good luck, Sonic
I would have to agree... Unfortunately.. |
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
2 edits |  Whoa Nelly...
so they won't be leeching anymore? 
"Only customers within about one mile of the downtown central office in Santa Rosa will be able to access the full 24 Mbps service." 
They made 10 Million USD off of ATT's lines in one year? I'm in the wrong business. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to nasadude
Re: good luck, Sonic
said by nasadude :I wish them luck, but don't hold out much hope. Unless and until they build out their own "last mile" to customers, they are doomed to extinction. Well, deploying their own network of DSLAMS kinda fits that bill. They are building out their own network. I'm not sure how they will actually connect the houses to their DSLAMS but still, they are building it. Plus they intend to wholesale their network to other small ISP's to use. I applaud this idea. I hope they pull it off.
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KoolMoe
Aw Man
Premium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
·Speakeasy
| reply to ninjatutle
Re: Whoa Nelly...
Please explain how it is leeching when any such CLEC pays the ILEC for access to those lines, and at rates that are arguably higher than it costs the ILEC to maintain them?
This is such a silly argument. While I agree it would be ideal for CLECs to all run their own lines and infrastructure, it's just not practical. Forcing ILECs to share there lines was not only something the ILECs originally offered to do, but doesn't hurt than AT ALL. The only limit is how much profit they can make.
KM
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to KrK
Re: good luck, Sonic
said by KrK :said by nasadude :I wish them luck, but don't hold out much hope. Unless and until they build out their own "last mile" to customers, they are doomed to extinction. Well, deploying their own network of DSLAMS kinda fits that bill. They are building out their own network. I'm not sure how they will actually connect the houses to their DSLAMS but still, they are building it. Plus they intend to wholesale their network to other small ISP's to use. I applaud this idea. I hope they pull it off. No, it doesn't "kinda fits the bill". They are putting their equipment in ATT COs and using ATT copper to reach customers. I forget the deadline, but soon there will be ZERO requirement for ILECs to share their last mile copper with competitors.
When this happens, ATT can lock out any competitor from using their copper.
So, I repeat: unless and until CLECs build their own "last mile", either wired or wireless, they are doomed to eventual failure. |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| reply to pnh102
Re: Different Investment Idea
said by pnh102 :why not invest that money into obtaining a local franchise for the town in question and running their own network instead? Because it's absolutely f*cking stupid to run more wires?
Sonic.net is not "leaching" given what they pay to lease the copper, rack space and power. T is losing no money, they turn a profit on these deals. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by sporkme :Because it's absolutely f*cking stupid to run more wires? Really? So who's stupid when AT&T decides they don't want to play balls with Sonic.net anymore?
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to ColorBASIC
said by ColorBASIC :Costs too much. That reminds me of what someone I know told me when they decided to buy a Ford and not a Honda 
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | It would be a great idea of the Honda would put them in Chap 11. |
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DSLdewd
join:2004-06-05
Denver, CO | reply to PhoenixDown
Re: good luck, Sonic
They should talk to Covad instead of AT&T. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to djrobx
Well, they probably had to do some decent 'fixes' as the Comcast cutover was horrible for some (co-workers HDTV went out, as did HSI).
I pretty much do a evaluation of the carriers around here every year before resigning up with DSL... This year may end my DSL, if the price is right. |
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA | great...
another clec that sucks. sonic, meet covad.
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