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Comments on news posted 2007-05-23 15:39:42: The average broadband download speed in the US is only 1.9 megabits per second, compared to 61 Mbps in Japan, 45 Mbps in South Korea, 18 Mbps in Sweden, 17 Mbps in France and 7 Mbps in Canada, says the Communication Workers of America. ..

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Oleg
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Re: Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps

This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits


DaneJasper
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ILEC cheerleaders

So now are the ILEC cheerleaders going to tell us this would be helped if we continue the trend of monopolization?

Competition drives innovation. Kicking independent ISPs off DSL and cable networks and limiting UNE for CLECs is just going to continue this trend.

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swintec
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 Broadband is Technology Not Speed?

Broadband is a technology isnt it? Speed is irrelevant. If I were to bond many, many dial up modems together to gain 5 MBits of download speed, does that mean I am on broadband now? These jokers who think speed equates to broadband or not, it would be. There is a cable company in Pennsylvania who offer cable modem service capped at dial up speeds (which is a brilliant marketing move by the way), if a cable modem is capped at dial up speeds, what is it? It is still a cable modem, with cable modem technology...therefore it IS broadband. It certainly isnt Narrowband, correct?

nuclei2v5x

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61mbps

..are you serious? Thats their average? WTF... Any person in their own house could run a hosting company...


maartena
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reply to Oleg
Re: Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps

said by Oleg See Profile :

This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits
Most people actually have 1.5 Mbps DSL, I know a few that have 768 Kbps DSL. Sure, there are faster options available, and I have a faster connection. But the AVERAGE is still fairly low. Its a good thing even the 1.5 Mbps DSL already comes with 384 Kbps upload, or the upload average would be a lot lower.
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reply to Oleg
Hmm - where you have those stats ?

I suspect that this may include everything from 256kbps to max.

There is probably a significant amount of people using 1.5Mbps/384kbps on at&t lines (doesn't at&t have something like 19 million DSL subs?), and then I suspect many others just go for the basic packages. It still seems a little low.
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Hmmmmmmm

@rogers.com

Uh...no.

Maybe they are talking about average speeds offered or some shit like that.

I live in Canada and there is no way in hell the average speed is 7mbps. In the most populated city and most populated province the DSL max offered by Bell is around 5000/800 and Rogers cable is 6000/800.

I know Quebec gets higher speeds, but has retarded caps.

This thing is a big steaming pile of Pelosi.

ossito16

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Government interference

I wonder how many broadband lines counted were actually fractured T1 lines, I worked somewhere we only got to use a percentage of T1. We still had broadband but not entirely. Just give me the 5mbps up/down and I will be very happy, don't need 61mbps.


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reply to Oleg
Re: Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps

said by Oleg See Profile :

This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits
I can make up stats out of thin air too.
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ColorBASIC
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 Speedtest.net says differently

They feature test servers from all over the world and they show the average test from Japan at under 10Mb average, and Japan is the fastest.

Looks to me this is just another group with a vested interest in spending money on deployment and they'll cherrypick stats or simply invent them to meet those ends.
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Re: Broadband is Technology Not Speed?

said by swintec See Profile :

Broadband is a technology isnt it? Speed is irrelevant. If I were to bond many, many dial up modems together to gain 5 MBits of download speed, does that mean I am on broadband now? These jokers who think speed equates to broadband or not, it would be. There is a cable company in Pennsylvania who offer cable modem service capped at dial up speeds (which is a brilliant marketing move by the way), if a cable modem is capped at dial up speeds, what is it? It is still a cable modem, with cable modem technology...therefore it IS broadband. It certainly isnt Narrowband, correct?
This is an old and tired play on words. It doesn't matter what the technical word means, when enough people use the word in another way.

Why do people continue to drag out this issue every single time? The meaning of words change. Get over yourself.

edit: typo
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swintec
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You ever hear of the saying "What is right isn't always popular, and what is popular isn't always right"?

jcf228

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Believable Statistic

Even though I live in the confines of NYC, I'm actually at just over 15,000 feet from my CO (literally on the last side of the last block) and only qualify for 1.5Mb downstream on a DSL circuit.

Sure, I COULD get cable, but as a satellite sub it doesn't make sense to pay a premium for historically shoddy internet service from TWC.

Hopefully with the EVENTUAL rollout of more FTTH/FTTN the aggregate speeds will go up across the board.


ninjatutle
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 India, China and AUS.... on my

Why aren't their stats included.

forrestin
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reply to Oleg
Re: Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps

I believe that the US includes a large number of Rural users. Taking this into consideration 1.5 Mbps may be close to the actual speed. I know of very few markets that 3-6 Mbps is average.


Oleg
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reply to gatorkram
What I am saying Is most of heavy users have 3mbits+ dsl or cable.

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Re: Believable Statistic

said by jcf228 See Profile :

Hopefully with the EVENTUAL rollout of more FTTH/FTTN the aggregate speeds will go up across the board.
That's if you live in a cherry picked market.
South Florida isn't really considered a major market for FTTH. I think we are deemed as 'unprofitable'.
Tampa on the other hand....

The 1.5Mbps seems right to me, as well as the upload. I'm not surprised by Japan either. I read somewhere you can get like 1gb lines for like US$79 (don't quote me on that).


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Re: Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps

said by Oleg See Profile :

This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits
The CWA did this comparison in a half assed stupid manner. Anyone surprised? They took their numbers from speed tests run at NYC.speakeasy.net. And they took the foreign country speeds from published ISP claims.

As to the NYC.Speakeasy.net tests:
1 - they were run from all over the country and not just from users near NYC as is typically the case when measuring speeds.
2 - the sample was not a random one. Meaning it was users self selecting to run the test from a link at the CWA web site. Further invalidating the results.
3 - The results weren't adjusted for sample error by adjusting for the differing numbers of users from the ISP's and their user bases.

In effect, the results are statistically meaningless.
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reply to ColorBASIC
Re: Speedtest.net says differently

said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

They feature test servers from all over the world and they show the average test from Japan at under 10Mb average, and Japan is the fastest.

Looks to me this is just another group with a vested interest in spending money on deployment and they'll cherrypick stats or simply invent them to meet those ends.
It has nothign to do with vested interests, it's going to say 10mbps because the speed test is based out of the us. From my experience, the farther away you are from a server the slower the speeds you will get.

i live in the us in nj

here's my speed test result to a server in nyc.



here's my speed test result to a server in japan:



and i'm on a supposed 30mbps/5mbps cable internet connection (optonline.net boost).

If the japanese are getting 10mbps on a server in the us that's pretty damned good considering it's halfway across the world.
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