Rob
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Kendall, FL
 ·Comcast
1 edit | So what do the customers get?
Verizon makes money and Goodmail makes money. What does the customer get? Spam?
Unless I am not entirely understanding this concept, it sounds like spammers (that's what they are, regardless of what title you give them) pay Verizon and Goodmail a fee to bypass Verizon's spamfilters and deliver their spam to the customers.
I'm afraid that customers won't see a discount on their bills either.
Great. So now not only do they have to put up with spam, but their own ISP makes money off of it too. Let's hold hands and sing Kum Ba Yah, the spammers have won. |
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Karl Bode
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| So...
So say your ISP profits from selling your clickstream data, befuddling your DNS service and now charging a spam filter bypass tax -- at what point do you as a consumer see a price reduction? |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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Corona, CA
2 edits | WHORES!
Just another reason to not use ISP provided email services. What's next..Verizon DNS redirection?
Verizon's conversion of DSL USF into a junk fee.
Verizon's "You're not using enough LD fee"
Verizon's "Sell out our customers to spammers" fee.
Verizon's 11% FiOS HSI increase
It's no wonder they can afford FiOS deployments 
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ColorBASIC
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1 edit | reply to Karl Bode
Re: So...
When you're Comcast and raise the price $14 then put a line item under it saying you get a $14 bundling discount for having their crappy CATV service.
That is unless you actually expect someones bill to go DOWN after a discount. If that is the case you're out of luck.
When you're Comcast and raise the price $14 then put a line item under it saying you get a $14 bundling discount for having their crappy CATV service.
That is unless you actually expect someones bill to go DOWN after a discount. If that is the case you're out of luck.
All of these major ISPs are penny pinching bloodsucking whores and Verizon is among the worst of them.
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Mactron
el camino Real
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CM94sv
|  Don't care
I don't care because VZ E-mail has been problem plagued for what seems like forever. I learned a long time ago not to use ISP E-mail and VZ is no exception. Gmail has been good to me. So go ahead VZ, enjoy your new money stream. 
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Maxo
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Re: So...
said by Karl Bode  :at what point do you as a consumer see a price reduction? The moment you cancel, which is not an option for many. Chalk this up as another reason that we need more competition in the broadband sector. |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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Parsonsburg, MD
| I suspect the only way to express our displeasure . . .
at this turn of events is to begin refusing ALL mail from those mailers who have implemented the "Certified Email" (Legit Spammer) system.
Yes . . . immediately begin refusing ALL mail from AOL & Yahoo. Basically send that message that we will NOT allow you to determine for us what is legit spam to eat.
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meskinct
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| What is fake e-mail?
I'm sorry but this makes no sense to me. "They want an end to the frustration of having to guess whether an e-mail is real or not." 
All e-mail is real. How legit the content inside of the message is the questionable part.
The idiots are trying to protect the idiots!
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| Your next.
Hee certified email..... what an obtuse marketing spin that really means...... yes average joe email user we will get around to charging you also.... eventually..... we just haven't come up with a bullshit marketing spiel..... that you would believe. |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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Corona, CA
| reply to newview
Re: I suspect the only way to express our displeasure . . .
I wish my 3rd party email provider 1and1 gave me the option to bounce email (not just drop them in a spam box) from specific domains.
My old Prodigy dial up game me options to bounce email to domain, use their blackmail lists, block overseas email etc.
I need to hunt down another cheap email provider.
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA | reply to Karl Bode
Re: So...
No, see, Verizon and other ISPs implementing this "spam filtering" service will likely ADD a fee to your bill for providing it.
Why can't we just get a pipe provider? Why, oh why? |
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Jim Gurd
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Plymouth, MI | Doomed to fail
I don't see companies ponying up the money for this. If nobody pays the system doesn't work. Most people will just whitelist people and companies they know. |
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blips
join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL
| reply to ColorBASIC
Re: I suspect the only way to express our displeasure . . .
said by ColorBASIC :I need to hunt down another cheap email provider. Google: gmail?  |
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dbmaven
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| Now I've seen it all...
The ultimate ISP oxymoron: legit spam
I hope all of you that have Verizon blast them for this.
The only marketing mail I want is something that I specifically requested/signed up for. Since I don't do that - ever - that means I should get ZERO marketing crap in my e-mail inbox.
I really don't care that you (the "legit spammer") think I signed up for your mailing list - I didn't. Ever. I never agreed to be contacted by you - or anyone else.
Verizon should spend more time securing their network and dealing with abuse complaints - about 10% of the spam I get (mostly on throwaway accounts like yahoo) are from Verizon based IPs....mostly bots/zombies taken over by Trojans.
I'll be more diligent than ever when I see spam from a Verizon IP.....
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SYNACK
Just Firewall It
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| I don't see the spam spin yet
It seems everybody is jumping on this as if every spammer can now buy himself around the spam filters. This is not how I read it!
Quote from »www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···50.html:
"The service is designed to certify credit card statements, e-commerce receipts and other communications with existing customers. It does potentially give a boost to larger corporations and groups that can afford the charge, but Gingras says their messages are the ones most likely to be mischaracterized as junk."
The primary purpose of the system is to ensure that existing legitimate non-spam e-mail from trustworthy companies does not accidentally end up in the spam folder. They make it very clear that it is not designed for massmarketers or advertising campaigns to random recipients.
(Of course I am questioning the point that it should cost anything to the sender.)
A certification process, if well implemented, is probably a good thing. It means that these companies are in constant fear of loosing the certification if they don't play nice.
What we will see of course will be spammers that will fake some blue certification ribbon somewhere in the body of the e-mail. Hopefully, the filters will be good enough to weed these out. |
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blips
join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL
1 edit | Mail lists
So that means all the mailing lists I subscribe will not be able to get to my e-mail account without paying? |
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cableties
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| reply to Mactron
Re: Don't care
I have Fios but I never use the (email) account. Yet, I get dictionary spams (down the list). And a few odd ones. I have set the filtering on at the web control page.
I bet Verizon offers a fee to block this too! Greed.
Does this mean that these ISPs can now sue software makers that thwart this (oxymoron) "legit spam"? And who's to verify that the spammers are legit?
G-bless Gmail and Yahoo. |
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
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Ogden, IA
1 edit | reply to blips
Re: Mail lists
Sounds like a way to blackmail nearly all corporations into a mail delivery fee. Maybe not at first....but I'll bet it quickly turns into one.
This will quickly turn into a net neutrality issue.
Spammers will have no part of such a system. But they may "play along" to make it look like they will. Just to learn ways to fake it.
Reminds me of the "Drug tax Stamp"
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blips
join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL
| said by plk :Sounds like a way to blackmail nearly all corporations into a mail delivery fee. Unfortunately, some of the lists I'm on are charity orginizations that will not be able to pay money to send out information. |
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ColorBASIC
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Corona, CA | reply to blips
Re: I suspect the only way to express our displeasure . . .
I use GMail and get 100 spam messages a day. |
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