Mactron
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join:2001-12-16
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|  YaY !!!
Good news so early in the day. 
Another one bites the dust. 
BPL is nightmare looking for an application. 
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Looks like the promise of BPL.......
.......are nothing but shattered dreams.
Guess it still makes no financial sense to provide broadband service in a competitive environment. |
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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| If the service had no interference in the ham band, I wouldn't be against it. I don't have a ham license, but I know plenty of operators, and have plenty of encounters with interference from devices that shouldn't generate it. As an example of this being unacceptable anywhere else, imagine if everytime your neighborhood well pump kicked on, all your neighbors, including yourself, lost the ability to watch TV, because the electronic noise from the pump would overpower the audio on all stations. It wouldn't fly with anyone and this is no different. So you're damn right, good riddance BPL Hawaii.
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wwdubbia
join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY | reply to Mactron
Re: YaY !!!
Shocking! |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
 ·Qwest.net
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Re: Looks like the promise of BPL.......
Smart networking is where this technology will land this would be a low bit rate system so it can be narrowly notched and, I would imagine would not be in continuous operation but would be in the form of a signals sent along a grid to interrogate device's such a, transformer, switch's, service box's etc which would give better monitoring of a power grid.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to phattieg
I am an amatuer operator and I know all about the interference issue.
Problem is BPL is not the rural answer to broadband even though it was sold partially on that premis. Since DSL and cable already service most of the area, BPL would only grab a small part of the market. |
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CABLECHARLIE
join:2004-08-19
Riverside, CA | I Hold a General Radotelephone licence (not a ham). Where can I find out more about the interference issue? Also this is in Hawaii, where else can these rural customers get broadband?
I also own stock in Hawaiian Electric.
Thanks |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | »www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ |
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W1RFI
join:2003-05-12
Burlington, CT
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said by phattieg  :If the service had no interference in the ham band, I wouldn't be against it. This system didn't generate any reported interference in the Amateur bands. It was a Current Technologies (Generation 1) system. Current uses HomePlug modems on the 240-volt wiring to premises and 32-48 MHz on MV distribution lines. The reports ARRL received from Hawaii and from the lager Current systems in Ohio (50,000 homes passed) and Texas (building to 2,000,000 homes passed) show similar results for Amateur Radio.
HECO apparently made this decision on economics. I'm not sure why HECO's economics don't out while TXU is moving ahead, but that is apparently the case.
As amateur operators, we don't have a direct interest in the economics of BPL. Those hams who are also ratepayers in a particular system, or stockholders, do have a stake in the economic component to a BPL system, though.
Ed Hare, ARRL
W1RFI@arrl.org
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
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·Teliax VOIP
| BPL is just plain wrong..
Someone else called it a nightmare looking for a problem. Perhaps not, but it is certainly a solution looking for a problem. If the electric company owns most or all of their poles, they're better off running fiber.
They already have linemen who can pull it, and they get all the benefits of network monitoring and such. The only real cost is the fiber itself. Since you're not paying for as much in the way of field electronics, it probably comes out a wash, especially with fiber as cheap as it is these days. Fiber gets incredibly expensive when you have to pay somebody to bury it, but when you can have existing employees hang it on poles you already own, it's essentially free to install it as time permits.
The only extra costs are the same costs you'd incur doing BPL. A few people to manage the data side of the business and the cost of a transit provider and a circuit to reach them. |
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SierraRob
join:2007-01-10
Prather, CA
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| Geez...
With warm weather, warm water, blue skies, and great snorkeling all around, why the heck are Hawaiians wasting their time on the Internet anyway??
*sigh* missing Kona already...
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