N10Cities
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2 edits | Hmmmm......
If we were still using the old bus topology coax (which the memo points out), then he might have a point!  One cable cut and the whole shebang is gone....(or did that only happen with Token Ring?) |
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Maxo
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| So what?
The winds of technological change are too unpredictable. I take little stock in what the experts think will and will not work.
We all know Bill Gates original opinion on the internet, yet who can deny he has made some sort of impact on the internet. A few businesses use their web server, and more than a small handful are using their OS and browser to view those pages. |
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ropeguru
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Re: Hmmmm......
Old bus topology would have gone down as well. As far as I can remember it required a terminator on each end.
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phxmark
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Glendale, AZ
| reply to N10Cities
said by N10Cities  :If we were still using the old bus topology coax (which the memo points out), then he might have a point! One cable cut and the whole shebang is gone....(or did that only happen with Token Ring?) Token ring would only die on a client cable or feed cable cut with the old STP BIG BLACK CONNECTORS using a passive MAU. The old shorting type connectors so that when it was unplugged the token would still get passed, but a cut was usually fatal to the ring.
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Mike B
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Xerox also thought the mouse was a joke and destined to fail. |
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scooper
join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC | Us old timers have seen it all ...
I've been around networking long enough that my HOME network was the coax variety of ethernet (10B2)!  I've also worked with Token Ring, as well as UTP. |
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dave
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| Yeah, but, no, but ...
It's fine to find an example of a successful technology, and then have a laugh at the old memo that said "this can never work".
But what about the no-doubt numerous examples of failed technologies, and the old memos that said "this can never work"? Why no news postings on how great the memo writers were?
(But it is a pretty amusing memo, now we have the benefit of hindsight).
The viewpoint in that memo, that you can't run a reliable network without solid guarantees about the maximum time to getting a transmit slot, etc., was pretty common at the time. It was the official viewpoint of IBM (for obvious reasons), to give but one example.
Of course, the Ethernet we run today is nothing like the Ethernet being criticized in that memo. As Metcalfe once said, Ethernet will be around for ever, because whatever replacement technology gets invented, it'll be called "Ethernet". |
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dave
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not in ohio | reply to scooper
Re: Us old timers have seen it all ...
Which coax? 
The thick one with the vampire taps, or the daisy-chained cheapernet? |
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DHRacer
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Lake Arrowhead, CA | He says 10B2, which was the Thinnet which used BNC connectors prevailingly.
It was 10B5 that used the thick cables that required vampire taps. |
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phoneboy2
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| Token ring was better before layer 2 switches
Token Ring was better in theory and was more popular for a time in the 90's with enterprises. I remember trying to decided whether to go Token Ring or Ethernet but Ethernet was much cheaper and more practical for small networks using hubs.
Then reasonably priced layer 2 switches came out which effectively eliminated all Ethernet short comings and Token Ring seemed to dissappear overnight. |
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MrMoody
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join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | reply to DHRacer
Re: Us old timers have seen it all ...
Ah, the Yellow Garden Hose! I've only ever seen that at a university. I had thinnet myself though, hooked up to play multiplayer Doom II ... fun days. |
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Kfedka
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Spokane, WA | reply to phoneboy2
Re: Token ring was better before layer 2 switches
Dang! You guys are old school! |
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jcf228
join:2001-09-05
Brooklyn, NY | Speaking of Token Ring
We STILL have a token ring network in the building where I work in downtown NYC (at a Fortune 100 Company). I have a Madge 4/16 card plugged into my laptop right now. |
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cbrigante2
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| said by jcf228 :We STILL have a token ring network in the building where I work in downtown NYC (at a Fortune 100 Company). I have a Madge 4/16 card plugged into my laptop right now. I still have some sitting up above my server room. |
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PolarBear
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Re: Yeah, but, no, but ...
said by dave :But what about the no-doubt numerous examples of failed technologies, and the old memos that said "this can never work"? Why no news postings on how great the memo writers were? Same reason the 6 o'clock news only reports tragic, sad stories of bad things, never good news - it's more entertaining.
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PolarBear
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join:2005-01-03 | reply to Kfedka
Re: Token ring was better before layer 2 switches
For sure! |
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PolarBear
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join:2005-01-03 | reply to jcf228
Re: Speaking of Token Ring
Pictures? Perhaps you could submit it to the Smithsonian? |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
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Re: Token ring was better before layer 2 switches
Switching, cabling, switching, cabling....
One gets cheaper and forces improvements in the other. Then the cycle reverses.
So pass the sands of time....
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cbrigante2
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Re: Speaking of Token Ring
said by PolarBear :Pictures? Perhaps you could submit it to the Smithsonian? Only if they hang it over Archie Bunker's chair! |
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AMDonUT2004
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Bedford, VA | New network idea!
Sillystrings for networking, spray it everywhere, and have connectivity everywhere |
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