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Comments on news posted 2007-06-18 11:23:52: NBC Universal has filed a complaint with the FCC stating that the government is "standing by mutely" while the Internet is being "hijacked by bandwidth hogs. ..
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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| So... So NBC is complaining that people are using the internet. This is hucking falarious. Somebody please tell me why a TV broadcaster cares, other than downloads of their own shows?
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | I wonder if that 60-70pct includes my streaming of Heroes off their website  | |
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CableConvert
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join:2003-12-05
Atlanta, GA
| But its for the CHILDREN It just makes me want to vomit when they try to throw child porn into a discussion, like the government is turning a blind eye to child porn...those self serving bastards should take a look at their own programing if they are so damn worried about children. That really infuriates me! | |
| russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
| Yep, I've been downloading NBC shows I've been using my wireless connection »www.solidsignal.com/prod_display···SCM4221A to download NBC shows in full HD. Well, actually, just Heroes and Las Vegas. It's not really peer to peer, more of a multicast type thing... perhaps it could be called a "broadcast". Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure they own and operate the source I've been downloading from: »www.nbc10.com/index.html Maybe they should clean up their own house before trying to mess with the Internet. | |
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Wolfie00
My dog is an elitist
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| Ridiculous argument It's a hilariously misguided argument on at least three counts, not to mention the ridiculous analogies and exaggerations:
1) P2P ≠ copyright infringement. P2P -- BT in particular -- is an innovative technology with lots of useful, legal applications. We are treading down a dangerous path if protocols are banned.
2) Conversely, P2P is by no means the only method of copyright infringement, and removing it doesn't solve the anything.
3) The "60% to 70% of all Internet traffic" sounds like playing fast and loose with numbers. What does tend to be true is that over shared-media broadband (i.e.- cable) BT has a propensity to saturate the upstream channel. However the cable operators know this and in their own interests are starting to introduce traffic-shaping systems that recognize BT packets and can throttle their bandwidth use. This addresses the major problem that NBCU says they are concerned about.
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| bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
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| I think a lot of people here missed the point. My argument is that NBC makes the statements:
"the Internet is being "hijacked by bandwidth hogs" and
"nearly three-quarters of the Internet's traffic consisted of child pornography"
My question to NBC would be where is the data to back up these statements.
My feeling is that NBC either dreamed up these numbers or paid someone else to dream them up in an attempt to get government to listen. Just because a company is willing to put something in writing does not mean it is true.
If I remember correctly more than a hand full of companies have been caught lying in the last few years. | |
| Desdinova
join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD
| Pick a lane... I dunno, the thing I find the most disappointing is the idea that IF the majority of internet users are file trading, then that's what the majority wants to do. What folks at NBC are saying (once again, assuming their numbers are remotely accurate) is "Efforts should be made to punish the majority so the minority can be protected." Sounds like a sharp contradiction to "of the people, by the people" to me.
Of course, if the majority of users are NOT file trading, then NBC doesn't need such a draconian level of protection like they claim. So which is it, NBC? "The majority are wrong and need to be stopped!" or "We're lying about the numbers because we don't really have a claim but we wish we did"? | |
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join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD
| Re: Pick a lane... Sure, but the NSA won't be monitoring in order to protect the copyright owners, but rather to intercept all those terrorist bombing plans that are encrypted in Deal or No Deal (sure, yeah, that's the ticket!). If they happen to also compile a database of filetraders that the entertainment industry can use for civil lawsuits, well, that's just a coincidence.
See? AT&T's recent announcement that they will start going after filetraders is the culmination of their years of cooperating with the NSA! It's AAAALLLL makin' sense now...  | |
| | WTJ
join:2004-01-30
Anchorage, AK | Hey NBCU: Whyn'tchago Ph*g urself? | |
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA | Scary stuff... Sounds like fascism if you ask me. | |
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pkarlos_76
join:2004-08-24
Edmonton, AB
| What a load of Bull Crap, I believe Ellacoya over them!! :) »HTTP Overtakes P2P Traffic
I quote the front page stor of BBR:
HTTP Overtakes P2P Traffic
And YouTube use is 10% of all Internet traffic
Posted 2007-06-19 09:24:56 by Karl · tags: stats networking bandwidth
Contrary to recent claims by NBC Universal, Ellacoya examined the Internet usage data of one million North American broadband users and notes that HTTP traffic has once again overtaken p2p traffic and continues to grow (pdf). HTTP accounts for around 46% of all traffic, while p2p accounts for 36%.
From the report:
"Presently, as a result of streaming audio and video in Web downloads, HTTP is approximately 46% of all traffic on the network. P2P continues as a strong second place at 37% of total traffic. Newsgroups (9%), non-HTTP video streaming (3%), gaming (2%) and VoIP (1%) are the next widely used applications."
They then offer an HTTP traffic breakdown:
"Breaking down application types within HTTP, the data reveals that traditional Web page downloads (i.e. text and images) represent 45% of all Web traffic. Streaming video represents 36% and streaming audio 5% of all HTTP traffic. YouTube alone comprises approximately 20% of all HTTP traffic, or nearly 10% of all traffic on the Internet."
Ellacoya expects the trend to continue as browser-based video and other streaming services explode. | |
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Maddogmike
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join:2007-06-21
Cleveland, OH | Crap And up until 2 weeks ago, the stats are in
65% Browser and misc traffic
35% P2P
I love how they fluff the numbers | |
| cajundsl
cajundsl Denver Qwest
join:2003-02-05
Denver, CO
| Much ado about very, very little NBCU complaining about someone else's abuse of bandwidth is hilarious. These are the rocket scientists who tie up huge swaths of satellite bandwidth with crap like the SciFi Channel (if you've ever watched the stuff that is produced by SciFi for their own use, you know what "bandwidth abuse" is really all about).
I find the presumption that 60-70 percent of Internet traffic is P2P to be doubtful, but even were that the case, NBCU is still out of line trying to impose their own ideas of proper use of the Internet on the rest of us in the absence of proof that illegal activity is transpiring.
A boycott of NBC's local television broadcast affiliates, Universal Studios, SciFi Channel, and any other program content produced by NBCU (e.g., "House") by Internet users is in order. So might action directed at giving NBCU's parent company General Electric something else to worry about (besides what Internet users are doing with the bandwidth they purchase).
Since GE has made the purchase of major household appliances a foreign currency transaction (sending their refrigerator and freezer manufacturing operations south of the Rio Grande), it seems to me as though Amana might be a better supplier for this sort of durable goods. Just a thought.... | |
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