robbob340
K.U. Sweet 16
Premium
join:2001-02-15
Wichita, KS
| How Much?
I wonder what the invisible cap for ATT will be? 5gigs like Verizon? AND...It will be alot of fun to stream over EDGE 
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Goober
Premium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
 ·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
| It's a business
"Obviously AT&T will make an exception here (this will adhere to their "wireless content standards"), but it's amusing how these restrictive 3G EULAs we as consumers are bound to suddenly disappear when it comes time to sell product."
It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me. |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | the Devil BOBBY
Wireless companies are the "Devil". |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| everything that isn't paid through AT&T violates EULA
Basically, this means that AT&T/iPhone have a 'deal', and they will most likely make exceptions to iPhone customers, as Apple/iPhone have the monopoly on it.
I.e. Everything else violates EULA, unless those companies come to us and pay us for exclusivity rights.
In the end, this is how standard broadband will end up if net neutrality doesn't take hold. |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | Youtube over EDGE
I would just shoot myself |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | I say Pay per Bit...or get over it
Just open the damn connection, (pay per bit) instead of wireless carriers playing mommy. |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to en102
Re: everything that isn't paid through AT&T violates EULA
exactly, the wireless networks are everything that we don't want broadband to be. This is a prime example of what happens when the network owners make all the decisions. |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Exception or not?
Is there really a need for an exception here? Can't ATT just say that YouTube is "content formatted in accordance with AT&T's wireless content standards..."?
Of course, that might mean that they would have to allow YouTube to stream to all ATT wireless data subscribers, regardless of the device they are using....
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
Premium
join:2000-03-14
Aubrey, TX | reply to JamesPC
Re: the Devil BOBBY
would've been so much better as "debil" |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
| reply to Goober
Re: It's a business
said by Goober  :It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me. No it's known as dishonesty, unethical, misleading behavior. Sometimes known as deceptive advertising.... Such as advertising "Unlimited Use" and then buring the fact it's capped and really extremely limited in the small print of some contract. Run a TV ad showing a feature, and then forbid them from using that feature once they actually buy the service.
Actually, now that you mention it, you're quite right. Apparently this is the norm for these types of businesses these days. No matter how many years go by, this place with its anti-consumer, screw-the-customer, loot, steal and burn the people's money pro-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
| reply to calvoiper
Re: Exception or not?
Someone where else in the EULA there's probably legalese that says something like this.... "Unless we say it's O.K."
And in this case it would be "It's ok for our partners to do this because they pay us, but everyone else can take a hike."
IE, Basically, they are telling you (again) where and how and when you can use your service and what content you can and can not access.
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA
| Because its there network (they own it, every part of it). That is the BEST thing about the internet is that everyone owns there network but with the agreement to share information to better everyone. I love the internet, one of the smartest things human kind has ever done. I just hope that corporations dont mess it up with there pocket books. If you want to see what the internet would be like if the ISP controlled it, just look at the wireless companies (network). BBOOOOO wireless comps, but like everyone I still have to pay them for my cell phone. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Unfortunately, they are trying very hard to mess it up and screw up the future, IMHO. |
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | reply to Goober
Re: It's a business
said by It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.
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Exactly this. |
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Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA
| Issue is bad business model
All the wireless companies paid tons of cash for spectrum and invested tons of money into creating a broadband connection for the phone. Unfortunately, the only way they can recoup their money is by charging too much and providing too little compared to what broadband users are accustomed to. Sucks to be them. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to KrK
Re: It's a business
DING DING DING!!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!
It's deceptive advertising. Plain and simple. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to JamesPC
Re: I say Pay per Bit...or get over it
said by JamesPC :Just open the damn connection, (pay per bit) instead of wireless carriers playing mommy. And watch people stop using the services. You make people pay per byte, or even per minute, you will see a BIG decline in profits for cell phone carriers. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
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Re: It's a business
Not neccessarily, all EULAs carry "we reserve the right to change as we see fit" addendum. This always means that they can tap another revenue stream. These changes are probably already written by the 1000 cryptic lawyers that write these agreements.
...at the end you'll see "do as I say, not as I do!" |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| i went to a cingular/att store...
and was going to get the HTC 8525 with the full data unlimited package and asked the sales person what the limit was on the data plan... She said there was no limit, however, i suspect she was incorrect and now reading the clause from the EULA, it would be a shame for me to spend that kind of money on a phone and then use the broadband 3g data plan service only to start getting messages from att/cingular that i'm either a bandwidth hog or i've violated the EULA. Then I would get my service canceled and now I'd be stuck with an expensive phone that i could use for all practicality...
why can't a provider just offer plain and simple services and be done with it... it's all just so convoluted... |
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truocchio
join:2004-07-05
Miami Beach, FL | reply to JamesPC
Re: everything that isn't paid through AT&T violates EULA
God forbid the ones who paid the money to put up the networks want to control their network and make money off of it. It is totally unbelievable!!!! |
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