Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| ISPs that greedy?
i mean holy crap, not only do they want google to pay them so their customers can even get to google at better then 24kbps speeds now this one is injecting ads.
can bet if comcast starts this ill be tinkering with my hosts file.
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LeeWL
join:2002-11-10
Morrisville, NC
 ·AT&T Southeast
| First Step?
So, I wonder if eventually this will cause problems for alternate DNS services like OpenDNS. They do pretty much the same thing, but since in most cases you are getting better DNS out of the deal (I know most Bellsouth users have reported big improvements) it is an even trade.
If the ISP is making money off the 404 page, will they ban users from going to alternate DNS services via the terms and conditions? |
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karlj1
join:2004-01-25
Ottawa, ON | Ever Heard of Content Filters?
I use Firefox with AdblockPlus (which is consistently updated). I also use RemoveItPermanently. I haven't seen web page advertising in several months. |
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microserf
@cgocable.net
| Copyright for all
NebuAD says that this technology "opens new revenue streams to service providers by enabling them to monetize advertising served to their subscribers with no up-front cost and no impact to their existing networks."
I'll show them expenses.
Who cares about user annoyance when you've progressed to theft? If I publish a page and some click-streaming jackdaw of an ISP tries to usurp my ad revenue, I'll be a knockin' soon. |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | Firefox + Adblock + w/EasyList
Solves that problem real easily. Or a simple call to disconnect service. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·Comcast
2 edits |  You can opt out of this
You can block their crap 2 ways:
Use the adblock capability of Firefox add-ons or solutions from other providers. Just kill everything from faireagle.com.
Use Fair Eagle's opt-out cookie which is available here:
»www.faireagle.com/faireagle/opt_out.html
And Nebuad also has an opt out cookie as well:
»www.nebuad.com/company/optout.php
Though, if I was a customer of Redmoon, I'd complain and if the policy wasn't changed, I'd look for a different ISP.
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| said by TKJunkMail  :You can block their crap 2 ways: Use the adblock capability of Firefox add-ons or solutions from other providers. Just kill everything from faireagle.com. Use Fair Eagle's opt-out cookie which is available here: » www.faireagle.com/faireagle/opt_out.htmlThough, if I was a customer of Redmoon, I'd complain and if the policy wasn't changed, I'd look for a different ISP. I love how all these 'features' provided by the ISPs require you to "opt out" instead of "opt in".
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jamez818
please hold during the silence
join:2000-09-18
Sunland, CA
·EarthLink
| TW ad on AT&T Yahoo e-mail
I not sure if this is related but when I was checking my AT&T Yahoo e-mail at the very top I saw an ad to sign up for TW. Kind of weird but I guess TW has to show ads on cable TV for AT&T so this is payback then.
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| reply to Rob
Re: You can opt out of this
Who'd be stupid enough to opt-in? They know exactly what they're doing, and are banking on the laziness of their customer base as a revenue stream.
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| said by yock :Who'd be stupid enough to opt-in? They know exactly what they're doing, and are banking on the laziness of their customer base as a revenue stream. I know a few people who like the DNS redirection 'feature' when a domain they type in doesn't exist.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to yock
they are also banking on the fact most ISP customers dont even know what a cookie is. so how would they know how to setup a blocking cookie.
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA
| reply to microserf
Re: Copyright for all
I've got to agree. If I'm providing my page ad-free what gives the ISP the right to put ads into my page? My page is a copyrighted work which I'm granting the user a license to view, print, etc. The ISP is merely the pipe between the user and my server. If I shipped a document via FedEx, should they be allowed to print ads all over it because it "opens new revenue streams"?
If I decide to put ads on my page, these additional ads are going to reduce the revenue of the ads that I put on. Will the ISP compensate me for "lost potential revenue" due to their ad injections?
And when these ads annoy users, guess who is going to get blamed? I'll give you a hint, it won't be the ISP. Content Providers are going to get angry e-mails from users who (pretty rightfully) assume that the content providers are the ones who put the ads there. I'll likely lose users who don't like the fact that I "put so many ads" on my pages, even though it's not my ads. (Then there will be the users who see the ads appearing on other pages also and will reason that I somehow infected them with spyware.)
"Enhancing the browsing experience of users through our innovative behavioral analysis solutions"? I don't think so. More like "copyright infringement, revenue stealing, and user dispersion in the hopes of making an extra buck or two." |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to karlj1
Re: Ever Heard of Content Filters?
Ad-blocking may be a solution if all you care about is the advertising. For me, it would be unacceptable to have all my traffic going through this third-party service's proxy.
It's bad enough when an ISP monitors all the customer's traffic. But this is data-mining *plus* farming it out to another company for a cut of the profit.
They promise the ISP's subscribers respect for their privacy, while at the same time promising advertisers and ISPs that the advertising is highly "targeted" by a "behavioral" profile - that means a record of everything you do online.
And it's still even worse than all that. If you look at the pdf's from the scummy ad-inserter companies, you find that it's not only data-mining, it's also filtering out what are considered "bad" sites or files, by whatever standard.
I would rather go back to dialup than be subjected to this treatment. |
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hpguru
Curb Your Dogma
Premium
join:2002-04-12
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: You can opt out of this
And be tracked as one who opted out? How stupid! Better if site owners sue them out of business for copyright infringement.
Sheesh what's next? ISPs injecting spyware into requested webpages?
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
Premium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
·Comcast
| Forced Ads
I only have one comment at this time:
WTF?
on second thought.. I'd likely dump these people as a service provider.. I sure as h3!! don't want these "FEATURES" that, in THEIR OPINION, "are dedicated to enhancing the browsing experience of users through our innovative behavioral analysis solutions." Yeah, right... since when is ads a browsing enhancement.. no thank you, i'd like to be able to have just the connection please, no cream, no frosting.. nothing added.. fat-free.. you get the idea..
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jjoshua
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
| Solution is to use HTTPS
Sites that use HTTPS would be immune to this sort of crap.
I suggest that this site support HTTPS access. Many *object*.
»https access
Perhaps it's not such a bad idea after all? |
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
| Switcharooo
I can see going to a web site to do some shopping and getting t redirected to the competitor. They really need to consider what is fair to the consumer and the advertisers.
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: You can opt out of this
The opt out is not fair to the average consumer. Most have no clue what a cookie is.
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
·Bright House
| Fancy terms
" The Fair Eagle webpage insists the technology "is dedicated to enhancing the browsing experience of users through our innovative behavioral analysis solutions." How come when companies like this want to annoy you they use fancy terms like, enhancing the browsing experience of users? Like I am really going to lose sleep cause I am afraid I will miss out on there advertisements. It would only make me want to use the internet less. Of course they don't make it easy for you to opt out.
This company is like having a bad neighbor. |
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otis_sh
join:2007-05-04
Ann Arbor, MI
| fight back
It works by inserting code into existing webpages.
We need to make an extension, or a filter, so as our browser is rendering the page, it removes that code. That ought not be rather difficult.
This would make the device useless.
What these ISPs are doing is criminal behavior and it is completely unacceptable. If this becomes mainstream then the functionality to remove the code it inserts will simply become part of all internet browsers.
It shouldn't be that difficult or resource-consuming to identify the code and remove it on the browser's end. If they change the code the machine injects, the browser will simply change the code it removes.
If it works by insterting code, then our browsers will simply have to work by identifying and removing that code. |
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