unixnoob
join:2002-09-11
Odessa, FL | That's why
Two years ago when I got FiOS, I made V* leave my copper POTS.
The fact that we live in the Lightning Capital of the world didn't hurt either!
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JeepMatt
Delaware Fios
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join:2001-12-28
Wilmington, DE
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| Just so everyone knows - this is not happening in ALL FIOS states.
In Delware, the copper is not being removed. I actually wanted it removed, so there would be less wires from the pole to the house, but was told they are leaving it there.
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NY Tel
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join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
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| Still copper here
I have FiOS for a year now and was able to keep my copper loop. I placed an order for Internet only and told them that there was no phone line that I wished to bill it to. The day of the install, the order was written to install FiOS Internet only. Now I have added TV and still have my copper.
My next door neighbors installed FiOS Internet and 2 POTS lines and their copper was removed from the side of the house.
Once they realized what they paying, they dropped 1 pots line and switched their primary line to AT&T CallVantage VoIP. |
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
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 ·Bell Sympatico
| reply to JeepMatt
Re: That's why
said by JeepMatt  :this is not happening in ALL FIOS states. Granted, but heaven forbid someone publishes an article to debunk rampant generalizations such as this. Articles like that just don't sell to readers. Much more fun to scream 'oh nos my DSL has been stoled!1~'
Reminds me of how Gore in An Inconvenient Truth mentioned how there were hundreds? thousands? of published papers on how climate change is real, where as only a handful were published against, yet they're reported about 50/50. I don't remember the numbers or if what I said was precisely it, but you know what I mean.
Go TKJunkMail research bot! Cite us values on articles published vs. articles per argument side percentile.
If any of the CLECs care to cry about such things, maybe they should take notes and start deploying their own fibre to the door. Simply picture a 5 year old crying "stop selling a better product than me", and you'll get the idea.
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Mactron
el camino Real
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join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
1 edit | Even Comcast left their drop...
Even Comcast left their drop to my house for years after leaving them. I called a couple times asking them to remove it but they refused. Years later a very hostel Comcast tech showed up demanding to remove it, claiming "Cable Theft". Ya right, I was stealing their snowy, intermittent, down for days YugoCast. LMAO  No problem I said. I reminded him where the easement was and to stay off my property. "What about the house attachment"... he said. No problem. I grabbed a pair of wire cutters, cut and tossed the RG-6 into the alley. Waved by-by to him and YugoCast. 
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SquareSlinky
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join:2004-05-25
Tampa, FL | Let it go people.....
Will the copper comments and articles ever end? Its old breaking and hard to maintain, let it go. New house, no copper here. |
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ggoose_69
join:2003-12-23
Everett, WA
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I just had fios put in the house, I asked the tech about the copper she said why not leave it, you or the next owner might want to go back to copper. I was like oh, ok. I was hoping to clean up the side of the house a bit and get rid of all the cable/phone boxes. I guess it's a good idea to keep it. |
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signmeuptoo
Folding and Crunching Not just Breakfast
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join:2001-11-22
LOSTinSpace
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| All fiber should come with powering copper/backup copper
All FIOS Optical fiber runs should be paired/cabled with, at the very least, some copper runs that hook one to power from the CO backup power system so that your FIOS will still work when the power goes out. That would solve a LOT of complaints. They could charge for any electricity that has been used if they like, in the event of power outages. I figure, if you can afford FIOS, you should support it working properly and financially.
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX | In the majority of cases, there is no way that the existing copper runs would be able to carry the current needed to power the ONT without an unworkably large voltage drop. |
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
2 edits | reply to Raptor
Re: That's why
TCH: !google Inconvenient truth published articles
[TCH] P2P Criminals!
Seems that there are still a few bugs the developer needs to work on.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
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| reply to ggoose_69
Re: .
said by ggoose_69 :I just had fios put in the house, I asked the tech about the copper she said why not leave it, you or the next owner might want to go back to copper. I was like oh, ok. I was hoping to clean up the side of the house a bit and get rid of all the cable/phone boxes. I guess it's a good idea to keep it. The average house gets a new owner every 5 yrs, so the idea that a new owner might want to do something different is reasonable(from the owners standpoint). But why Verizon wouldn't want to cut the copper and force Fios on a new owner is beyond me. Unless they think that by cutting the copper connection they would lose the business altogether to a cable company if the new owner just wanted CHEAP POTS service and nothing more.
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signmeuptoo
Folding and Crunching Not just Breakfast
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Re: All fiber should come with powering copper/backup copper
Ah, and that is why I said all fiber cables should have copper accompanying them. I know it can be done. I studied fiber optics and electronics at college a decade and a half ago, heh. Adding the copper would also make the cable stronger and more rigid and metal is usually IN fiber cables anyways when trunk lines are made. You simply run a cluster of large enough gauge copper wires in a daisy pattern around the FO cables, sheith it all with grounding (which is a good idea anyways for less than obvious reasons, even with fiber) and at the pole have a break out box that lets the Telco Tech connect to one of the power cables, one of the fiber cables with a special fiber connection (making solid bonds is hard and expensive, I don't know how they are doing it now, but there are/should be alternatives, I bonded fiber in college and it takes skill to do).
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| reply to DMS1
said by DMS1 :In the majority of cases, there is no way that the existing copper runs would be able to carry the current needed to power the ONT without an unworkably large voltage drop. All homes & apt buildings should come with their own way of generating power, either by solar, natural gas, gasoline/diesel generator, wind turbine, etc. There is almost no excuse to not be without emergency power.. or the ability t generate it.. heck, you could actually make a wind-up motor to power the phone line (uses minimal power vs the whole ONT) on the ONT for a few minutes if you really needed it.. |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| said by tmc8080 :said by DMS1 :In the majority of cases, there is no way that the existing copper runs would be able to carry the current needed to power the ONT without an unworkably large voltage drop. All homes & apt buildings should come with their own way of generating power, either by solar, natural gas, gasoline/diesel generator, wind turbine, etc. There is almost no excuse to not be without emergency power.. or the ability t generate it.. heck, you could actually make a wind-up motor to power the phone line (uses minimal power vs the whole ONT) on the ONT for a few minutes if you really needed it.. I agree entirely. Especially when you consider that the frequency and duration of power failures varies from location to location with quite a fine granularity. For example, in a hurricane prone area, a new development with buried cables may have no real problems whereas a neighboring one with aerial cables would. Given that an extended power outage causes a whole lot more problems than just the possible failure of ones phone, it makes much more sense to tackle to real problem. |
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tschmidt
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join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
 ·Hollis Hosting
·Verizon Online DSL
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Fiber vs Copper
Once an area is wired with Fiber why would Telco want to keep copper in place and have to maintain it. Granted it will be years before fiber replaces copper but that has to be one of Verizon's long term goals. Opex for fiber is much lower then copper and they have won the battle with CLECs and do not have to share fiber.
In short term this is probably a battle Verizon does not want to fight. Better wait a few years when FIOS is pervasive and decommission copper outside plant.
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tschmidt
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Milford, NH
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| reply to signmeuptoo
Re: All fiber should come with powering copper/backup copper
said by signmeuptoo :All FIOS Optical fiber runs should be paired/cabled with, at the very least, some copper runs that hook one to power from the CO backup power system so that your FIOS will still work when the power goes out. I disagree. Adding copper cable to fiber defeats one of the main benefits of fiber.
I'm perfectly happy with the carrier delivering only data. FIOS does have some backup capability. If I need more I can always purchase my own UPS. As we migrate to more converged communication there are many other devices that need power during an outage to stay connected.
We are seeing a trend away from wired phone service with many folks using cellular phone as their primary telephone. I'd rather see more focus in hardening the cellular system then worry about losing phone service due to a power outage.
Here in New England power outages are rather frequent, especially during ice storms. Granted power goes out more often then phone but was have also lost wired phone service for hours or days during bad ice storms.
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tschmidt
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Milford, NH
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| reply to unixnoob
Re: That's why
said by unixnoob :The fact that we live in the Lightning Capital of the world didn't hurt either! I don't understand. I would assume living in heavy lightning area you would want copper phone line removed to eliminate path for lightning surges.
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davl
join:2006-01-28
Furlong, PA
| reply to unixnoob
said by unixnoob :Two years ago when I got FiOS, I made V* leave my copper POTS. The fact that we live in the Lightning Capital of the world didn't hurt either! I don't understand your comment about lightning. I feel a lot safer when talking on the phone with FIOS during a storm, knowing that there is no copper "lightening rod" connected to my house or more importantly to the phone next to my ear. |
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SteveCon
IBEW 2222 Boston, MA
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join:2004-09-02
Burlington, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| Enough!
If your area (for whatever reason) has copper being removed when fiber goes in, then either take it or leave it. It's so easy. You say "Install me" or "Don't install me". You have your choices - make it and stop crying. It's phone service - not brain surgery!
I couldn't care less what the next owners of my house have for phone service providers. I believe that having FiOS is a point that adds value - not detracting value.
I love the fact that my phone lines are CRYSTAL clear over fiber. No scratching noises... no radio station signals heard on the phones.. it's great. The internet speed is incredible! No caps or BS! The UPS works when the power is out. If it didn't last I'd do something else so that it would.
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signmeuptoo
Folding and Crunching Not just Breakfast
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| reply to tschmidt
Re: All fiber should come with powering copper/backup copper
What, praytell, is the "benefit" of not having copper fiber? Are you under the illusion that it will make the cable to your house smaller? Trust me, the cable wouldn't be much if at all larger, and would probably be a stronger cable much less prone to damage from bending, tensile stress, and wind vibrations! You cannot bend of fiber past a certain angle, that angle is known in optics as that it will cause loss of the fiber transmission, it relates to Brewster's angle. Now, a copper run and cladding alongside your fiber might already be there anyways, I haven't looked at current FIOS cables, but generally ALL fiber cables have metal in them, they HAVE to.
You might be a cable tech and I am open to new information, but I honestly think you might be under the illusion that having metal in a fiber run is somehow disadvantagious. In now way I know of is it, and in fact it is required. Or perhaps I should just throw away my FO textbooks from college?
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