n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
 ·Optimum Online
| Unlocked Phones
Verizon must be smoking the same stuff that Sprint is. If unlocked phones were soooooo bad for the network, then all of the GSM providers in world would be having network issues up the wazoo. The only entity that unlocked phones are bad for is Verizon not the consumer.
Gee, the ability to buy a phone and take it to a different carrier when you get fed up with your current carrier. What a concept.
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ | Question:
Was Mr. Zipperstein Esq.(Man, great name!) wearing a Napoleon outfit when he made this statement?
Last time anyone made a statement this delusional, they got a 5lb. Thorazine suppository and a nice quiet room at the state's expense. |
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FiL
Premium
join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
| Locked Phones help manufacturers an the carriers
The phone manufacturers are in the same boat as Verizon, or atleast they'll be throwing their money at them to combat the unlocking of cell phones. For instance, one model type becomes essentially 4 or 5 when locked. Instant cash-flow off the break, plus the carriers can charge up the ass when it comes to getting a new phone for on a new carrier.
But God forbid you actually purchasing your phone 100% and having the choice of which carrier you want.
Beta-max, anyone? |
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MichaelWacey
OwlSaver
Premium
join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
| All Cell Phone Service should be unlocked
The FCC should require all cell phone service to be provided unlocked, not just the upcoming 700Mhz band. Unfortunately, I doubt they have the fortitude to maintain the fight for the 700 Mhz band let alone the rest.
Isn't it interesting that Verizon want open access to provide cable TV to all customers but does not want the same for Cell phone access?
This issue is a disgrace for the US. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | They never change
For those to young to remember before the 80's you actually HAD to purcahse your phone from the phone company. And believe me they were a lot more than the $10 you can get from wal-mart and they were rotary dial. |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
 ·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
·Videotron
·Look Communications
| BOUAhahhahahahha!!
Gottal love the Verizon spin on reality lol
First of all anybody that uses Verizon is a masochist. I mean, who in the right mind would buy an ugly and bulky CDMA phone and pay the Qualcom tax ? Who in their right mind would choose to buy a phone that's locked to their provider with absolutely NO way of unlocking it to use it on another CDMA provider ? CDMA carriers are sooo sad, i don't know where to begin.. I mean, ATT is no angel, but between a GSM carrier where you can shove your SIM card into any unlocked phone you want and the carrier doesn't even know, and a CDMA carrier where even activating a CDMA phone sold by another CDMA carrier is forbidden is as clear as day.
Adi |
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shoan
join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR
| reply to BF69
Re: They never change
I was thinking the same thing. I really do believe that unlocking the phones would spur more companies to make cell phones and what not. If they saw they could make a cool phone and throw it on the shelves of walmart they could get a slice of the pie. |
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Bell Sympatico
| A childs logic...
FTA: "Consumer choice would be the casualty of policies that mandate that all companies do the same thing the same way,"
Wait wait wait...they're saying consumer choice dies when companies are mandated to do the same thing???
Now I try to be articulated when it comes to debating a topic, but I cannot in this instance. So therefore -- No you crack heads, that's exactly what fosters competition and consumer choice!
If all the carriers were forced to allow unlocked phones, it would (should), create ridiculous consumer choice, as the feeding frenzy occurs to undercut your competition since you're all able to offer the same services, and you don't have a crippled phone keeping someone from leaving you if you try to inflate prices.
The Verizon spin machine should explain how the iPhone is consumer choice. I guess they don't care about the insane number of phones AT&T is moving. Many of those could have been Verizon customers, but no, apparently locked phones give more choice. My God do they think we're stupid.
Design good plans, do some business studies...no one said you still can't sign people on contracts. Offer them a good plan and they will take it, unlocked phone or not. Man. Take a hint from Field of Dreams...
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justaguy
@lmco.com | This will be my cancellation rationale
I will cite these specific statements as my rationale for leaving verizon when my contract is up in a month. I don't have any gripes with them in general, but I can't justify feeding this machine anymore. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
1 edit | reply to BF69
Re: They never change
said by BF69  :For those to young to remember before the 80's you actually HAD to purcahse your phone from the phone company. And believe me they were a lot more than the $10 you can get from wal-mart and they were rotary dial. Actually you had to rent it from Ma Bell, no purchasing. Having an extra phone that the phone company did not know about could get you in big trouble with the "Phone Cops" (tribute to WKRP in Cincinnati). The phone company would often perform impedance and ringer current checks to see if there were more phones on the line than you were supposed to have. My parents had two rental phones and a third unauthorized one. Any time we needed a service call I always remember them unplugging that third phone and hiding it in a closet. Things finally started to lighten up around 1977-1978 when we were finally allowed to provide our own wiring (COPW - Customer Owned Premises Wiring) and connect additional phones. The only requirement then was that you had to tell them you were connecting additional phones and what the RE (Ringer Equivalence) number was.
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Sabre
Di relung hatiku bernyanyi bidadari
join:2005-05-17
·Comcast
| reply to adisor19
Re: BOUAhahhahahahha!!
I use Verizon for one reason: they have good coverage in and around my home, where I use it most. They're sufficiently affordable for me. Maybe if I lived elsewhere I'd have issues with them and feel the same way. But for some of us, they're fine. As always, everyone's different.
That being said, I call shenanigans on this crap that Zipperstein is pulling out of wherever. They're just scared they'll lose free revenue.
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL | Some body call a whambulance
I'm so sick of hearing the telcos cry. You've been milking consumers for too long. It's time for a change! |
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nozzer
join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA | reply to shoan
Re: They never change
Er, there are just PLENTY of companies making cellphones. Its just the USA thats on a different planet to the rest of the world on this issue, and about 5-10 years behind |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs:
 ·QuantumVoice
·AT&T Southeast
·RoadRunner Cable
| Stupid
(RANT)
Is it me or everytime Vz doesnt get there way they act like a F*&*^ing baby about it.
Im like the other poster im sick and tried of the bells pissing and moaning. Just get the SH&^ done and quit bi%$^ing. Last time i checked it takes money to make money.
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| reply to Raptor
Re: A childs logic...
said by Raptor :The Verizon spin machine should explain how the iPhone is consumer choice. I guess they don't care about the insane number of phones AT&T is moving. Many of those could have been Verizon customers, but no, apparently locked phones give more choice. My God do they think we're stupid. Apple offered the iPhone to Verizon FIRST and was told to peddle it to some other provider (which is how ATT get it). |
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Mactron
el camino Real
Premium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
| reply to n2jtx
Re: They never change
said by n2jtx :Actually you had to rent it from Ma Bell, no purchasing. ... Things finally started to lighten up around 1977-1978 when we were finally allowed to provide our own wiring (COPW - Customer Owned Premises Wiring) and connect additional phones. The only requirement then was that you had to tell them you were connecting additional phones and what the RI (Ringer Equivalence) number was. The same thing is needed with wireless today. Wireless Telcos provided the service, we the customer, decided on the equipment of OUR Choice. I sure hope this comes to pass on 700 Mhz and spreads like wildfire across all the wireless spectrum in the US... Hopefully the FCC won't cave to Verizon... Again. 
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to n2jtx
Re: Unlocked Phones
I agree...having the ability to reuse (or use) whatever phone you want.
Verizon = Serivce provider
- They rent/lease/sell the devices tailored how they want it, and only their devices will work, and can force you to upgrade.
Since the phone is tied directly to your account by ESN, you can not just 'swap' phones. Carriers do allow for ESN swaps, but typically, they have a list of phones that are allowed by ESN numbers. I.e. Sprint won't allow you to use a Verizon Wireless phone.
SIM card (AT&T/T-Mobile)
- They rent/lease/sell the devices tailored how they want it, however, you CAN take an unlocked, or older GSM phone that you used in the past, and insert your SIM card. Data features would have to be set manually (i.e. WAP), and some SMS/MMS may not work properly, but it does offer a LOT more flexibility. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to nozzer
Re: They never change
I agree... I think Europeans don't subsidize or tie their phones in, and some countries forbid phone locking. |
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nipseyrussel
Nipsey Russell, yo
join:2002-02-22
Philadelphia, PA
| thanks!
thanks for defending my choice, |
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nipseyrussel
Nipsey Russell, yo
join:2002-02-22
Philadelphia, PA
| reply to Raptor
Re: A childs logic...
said by Raptor :...Now I try to be articulated when it comes to debating a topic... now thats friggin' funny  |
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