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Comments on news posted 2007-07-12 16:58:34: A newly approved royalty rate system set to go into effect on Sunday threatens to put many webcasters out of business by consuming their entire revenue streams -- and then some. ..

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Michieru2
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Re: It don't mean a thing....

The problem is that those horses are locked under contract by their farmer. But I think horses are the wrong animal and cows or goats will be be far more descriptive on what I am trying to say. The cows and goats eat grass and have their asses cleaned. While the farmer milks the cows and goats for all they are worth he is giving very little in return towards the animals themselves.

But cows cannot grab their tits and sell their milk because they don't know how, which is why I said some can be as dumb as a door bell. So even if we argued how easy it is to get noticed these days with all the technological advancements the learning curve is steep for most, while the younger generation as more understanding on the technology by the time their methods actually affect the industry as a whole will be 10 year's down the road.

Although you use open-source software for your multimedia needs to simply strip the DRM you are removing the protections the music industry has set in place. You do not decide where you can play your music, the industry does, which is why I am sure THC will just label you as some criminal right about now. No matter the quality they still own the rights to that music.

You also don't need a piano to make music, if I am not mistaken Beethoven cut the feet of his piano and placed it on the floor so he can feel the beats of his music through the wooden floor. The man was practically deaf, yet he loved to make music not as a means to make money but as an artist and as a hobby.

The only reason his success was big because he was noticed at an early age and was given the right advantage, that's not to say that others have as well while others where not so lucky themselves where noticed later or never at all.

Also their are many forms of different type of music, classical is just another genre over the many that exist today, beauty lies on those who enjoy the music a specific artist plays.

I also never stated or meant to say that music should be abolished, I am just saying that it's purpose is lost by making it a business which in return seeks profit from music itself. Hell anyone who thinks they should abolish music is a mad man.

Also most of the music I like comes from Asia and Europe and South America, the only North American music I probably listen too is more than likely 100% country.

I would prefer if the music industry died and had a rebirth, because the current system is broken. The RIAA are a greedy bunch of bastards that deserve no respect nor anyone's cash. I worked in the industry, while not in a label I did attend big events and even met some of these artists and attended workshops about working in the industry.

The sad part is that when they popped the magic question of "How many here illegally download music?" The entire audience was with raised hands. I of course was hiding behind the mixing board with my hand down as Pitbull a local Miami rap artist was giving his little speech.

Once the question was asked the question nor a discussion about it was ever brought up. Just goes to that times are changing.
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cdru
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reply to dadkins

Re: they cut off their nose to spite their face.

said by dadkins:

IDIOTS!

Fools are too blind to see that when fewer people can listen, fewer will be buying.
I'm sorry. Your use of logic and common sense does not apply to RIAA, MPAA or any other AA organization.

The fewer people listening, and therefor buying, will translate into another round of the RIAA proclaiming that rampant online piracy is further eroding their business model, ultimately calling for Congress (or some other powers that be) to enact more draconian laws that don't work.
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Jason Levine
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reply to Michieru2

Re: It don't mean a thing....

said by Michieru2:

The problem is that those horses are locked under contract by their farmer. But I think horses are the wrong animal and cows or goats will be be far more descriptive on what I am trying to say. The cows and goats eat grass and have their asses cleaned. While the farmer milks the cows and goats for all they are worth he is giving very little in return towards the animals themselves.

But cows cannot grab their tits and sell their milk because they don't know how, which is why I said some can be as dumb as a door bell. So even if we argued how easy it is to get noticed these days with all the technological advancements the learning curve is steep for most, while the younger generation as more understanding on the technology by the time their methods actually affect the industry as a whole will be 10 year's down the road.
There are actually a lot of artists who are moving away from the mainstream (RIAA) recording industry and moving to more profitable (for them) models. There are even "recording label-esque" websites like Amie Street and eMusic which help promote the artists music in exchange for a cut of the sales. I say "recording label-esque" because, unlike the major recording industries, these sites 1) don't lock the artists into unfair contracts, 2) don't take most of the sale, 3) don't rely on DRM to maintain an illusion of absolute control, and 4) don't act as if their greatest enemy is the music fan.

I don't see these sites eclipsing the mainstream recording industry tomorrow, but, like you said, the younger generation is more likely to use these services. Eventually, the mainstream recording industry will either adopt their methods or be eclipsed by them. I'd pin the adapt or die date in five or ten years.

Of course, this prediction is invalid if the recording industry somehow rams legislation through Congress declaring these sites to be pirate sites. I'm not sure they'd succeed, but I wouldn't put it past them. (Possibly by a law requiring all music online to be DRM "protected" no matter who the rights holders were.)

said by Michieru2:

Although you use open-source software for your multimedia needs to simply strip the DRM you are removing the protections the music industry has set in place. You do not decide where you can play your music, the industry does, which is why I am sure THC will just label you as some criminal right about now. No matter the quality they still own the rights to that music.
I couldn't agree more. This is why I've never purchased a song on iTunes or gotten a subscription to a music site. I want my music to be mine and not dictated by the whims of the recording industry or my financial state. (If I'm low on funds one month, I shouldn't lose my entire music collection because I can't afford a subscription fee.)

said by Michieru2:

I also never stated or meant to say that music should be abolished, I am just saying that it's purpose is lost by making it a business which in return seeks profit from music itself. Hell anyone who thinks they should abolish music is a mad man.
I think that there's a compromise between music as pure art (no business at all) and music as pure business (current state of the mainstream recording industry -- crank out the "hits" to keep propping up sales). You can produce great music because you love it and still earn money doing it. The mainstream recording industry has just lost sight of the art of making music and instead focuses on draining every last cent out of each artist/trend they happen upon.

said by Michieru2:

I would prefer if the music industry died and had a rebirth, because the current system is broken. The RIAA are a greedy bunch of bastards that deserve no respect nor anyone's cash.
I doubt you'll find many here to disagree with that. On a personal level, though, I'm a lot more interested in music now that I've found the independent material than I have been in a long time. Will I still buy RIAA-produced CDs? Yes, but extremely rarely. Most likely, I will attempt to get them used first and if that fails I'll buy it new after much hesitation. I'm likely to buy only one or two CDs (used or new) per year from RIAA artists, but I've purchased 75 songs in the past 4 months from Amie Street artists.

The music industry is changing/adapting. It's just the RIAA labels which aren't part of this change.


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Re: they cut off their nose to spite their face.

said by inteller:

simple....all the internet radio will go away and the RIAA will be left holding the bag.

you stupid idiots.
Acually that is their plan no internet Radio = will force people to download music == more lawsuits for the RIAA --
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.. hmm


Kearnstd
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Re: It don't mean a thing....

classical music isnt held under copyright. however the perfomance is copyright of the repesctive orchestra.
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Re: I'm confused.

so what happens if the webcaster has made royalty plans with seperate indie labels or artists and tells SoundExchange to hit the bricks we arent playing any music covered by your companies and already have contracts with those we do play.
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Time4aNAP
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Re: It don't mean a thing....

You can only take a metaphor so far. Let's stick with what "locking the barn door after the horses have escaped" means.

Although you use open-source software for your multimedia needs to simply strip the DRM you are removing the protections the music industry has set in place. You do not decide where you can play your music, the industry does, which is why I am sure THC will just label you as some criminal right about now. No matter the quality they still own the rights to that music.
And when I enter into a contract to obtain certain rights to that music, so do I. No amount of name-calling, from THC or anybody else will make anyone a criminal. And yes, I do decide where and when I play my music, as well as what I play. The RIAA might want to take that choice away from me, but the fact is that they aren't that powerful.

I also never stated or meant to say that music should be abolished, I am just saying that it's purpose is lost by making it a business which in return seeks profit from music itself. Hell anyone who thinks they should abolish music is a mad man.
You'd better believe in a sanity clause, then. Because musicians are the cornerstone of the music industry. Without them you have no music. So if the music industry goes away, so does music.

The sad part is that when they popped the magic question of "How many here illegally download music?" The entire audience was with raised hands.
The thing that I find sad about that is that the audience would have raised their hands if asked any number of questions, ranging from marital infidelity, to traffic offenses to cheating on their taxes. But that's another topic.

If you're trying to suggest that, because a group of people somewhere believed that they had done something illegal, without first getting legal council to determine if that was actually the fact, that you can extrapolate that small sample to say that every music listener is a criminal, you're just making a slippery slope. Your example of the psychological phenomenon that causes people to believe most anything if it's repeated enough times underscores how people are all too willing to be lead around by their nose by others. That audience was being manipulated.

Right now we face a singular problem: a trade association that has completely abandoned the charter under which it was established, and has become a parasite. In case you didn't know, taking money from people under false pretenses is a crime. The RIAA is a criminal enterprise. Although the federal justice department is currently unable to do its job, there are still 50 state's attorney offices that can prosecute this case. Any one of them could bring down the RIAA.

But for some reason, the artists who ought to be lining up to file criminal complaints, aren't. Are they being paid off to not report that they've been ripped off? That seems to be an oxymoron, but stranger things have happened. Are they being intimidated? Possibly. Time will tell.
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i have never entered a contract to play music, there is no EULA on a CD that states i cannot rip it and burn a copy and then leave the orignal safely at home and use the copy in the car or the shop where a CD is likely to be damaged.
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Michieru2
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reply to Time4aNAP

The music industry we are referring to here is those that are the distributors of the content providers which are the musicians themselves.

You can think of a cow as a musician, but the one who packages the milk, cleans and purifies it for you to drink safely is the distributor/RIAA.

A.k.a

Sony BMG
Warner Bros
Ultra Records

and so forth.

Also any audience is manipulated, because I am sure one of the most notorious (Sony BMG) popped that question. They know people download music illegally, they just don't know how to stop it. They where expecting a safe ground of a few of those who will go "Yeah I do! WOOO!" while the rest of the audience remained quiet.

They cannot find someone that agrees with their point of view. So to even bring up "it's illegal and wrong" discussion was irrelevant.

We can change the metaphor if you want, but I am trying to make my message as clear as glass.

But

Also any audience is manipulated, because I am sure one of the most notorious (Sony BMG) popped that question. They know people download music illegally, they just don't know how to stop it. They where expecting a safe ground of a few of those who will go "Yeah I do! WOOO!" while the rest of the audience remained quiet.

They cannot find someone that agrees with their point of view. So to even bring up "it's illegal and wrong" discussion was irrelevant.

We can change the metaphor if you want but I am trying to make my message clear as glass.

Also remember when I said some artists are dumb as a door bell? Well now you k

Also any audience is manipulated, because I am sure one of the most notorious (Sony BMG) popped that question. They know people download music illegally, they just don't know how to stop it. They where expecting a safe ground of a few of those who will go "Yeah I do! WOOO!" while the rest of the audience remained quiet.

They cannot find someone that agrees with their point of view. So to even bring up "it's illegal and wrong" discussion was irrelevant.

Also we can change the metaphor if you want but I am trying to make my message as clear as possible.

Also remember when I said some artists are dumb as a door bell? Well now you know why they are not suing.
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vinnie97
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reply to Time4aNAP

Re: thankyou replublicans

You were making sense until you unloaded the partisan BS into this. If I'm not mistaken, it was Clitton who signed onto the original DMCA bill. This problem is apolitical/bipartisan...the current 2-party system is broken, and ruled by speshul interests.

(spelling mistakes intentional)


Time4aNAP
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reply to Michieru2

Re: It don't mean a thing....

I'd prefer to do without the metaphors altogether.

The music industry includes a lot of honorable professions. I don't like being lumped together with the Big Three record labels when my involvement in the music industry has nothing whatsoever to do with the production of records (that includes CD and other media as well). Call a spade a spade, but leave the clubs, hearts and diamonds out of it.
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Time4aNAP
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Re: thankyou replublicans

Pardon me, but do you fail to understand what those lines and boxes mean? Go shout at Jorge4232 if you don't like his terminology. It's not my fault that one political party happens to be at the scene of lots of crimes, holding a smoking gun. Nor is it my fault that you choose to play partisan politics in blaming one person for the deeds of many others. If you don't understand the Constitution, raise your hand.
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Dude111
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reply to dadkins

BREAKING NEWS -- INTERNET RADIO SAVED

»blog.wired.com/music/2007/07/bre···s-o.html

Soundexchange WILL NOT increase the royalty rates on sunday!!!! (While this whole mess gets sorted out)

I AM HAPPY THAT SOMEONE IS TAKING A STAND TO THIS CRAP!!!!!!!

VERY GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!



Dude111
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Re: Net Radio Gets a Reprieve

Yes its EXCELLENT!!!!!!!



Michieru2
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reply to Time4aNAP

Re: It don't mean a thing....

Again maybe you know something or how things work better than I do on the matter but the overall picture and aura given out by the music industry is not a good one.
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Time4aNAP
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With all due respect, you might want to examine your own actions, or lack thereof, when handing out blame. The recording industry (the "RI" in RIAA) is a separate entity from the music industry. Not all music is recorded, and not all recordings are music. In fact, spoken voice recordings outnumber musical recordings, both in number and total length.

During the Vietnam War, America's enemies were varied and cunning. However this didn't justify indiscriminate retaliation, like the My Lai massacre. Fortunately the RIAA shenanigans are a far cry from the death and destruction of warfare, but the same principles apply. So if you don't know who is friend or foe, it's best to hold your tongue until you do.
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Bal3Wolf

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Re: Net Radio Gets a Reprieve

So when they kill internet radio and lose another 5-10% of sales they will blame it more on people downloading music.



Dude111
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Yes sadly they may be the case....... (Probably 1 reason they wanna do it so much)