ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
| What's next?
Blaming Craftsman when an idiot gov't worker smashes their thumb with a hammer?
But it is great to know that the Iraq War problems have been solved, heathcare costs have been brought under control, energy and immigration plans passed and implemented, education improved...so that they now have time and taxpayer money to waste worrying about P2P.
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IowaFarm
@frontiernet.net | Oh no no no no
ok,,,,,, Please no i want my freedom |
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
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join:2002-07-30
Cheyenne, WY
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 ·AT&T Midwest
| Gorton is a tool
If he has any sense of self-worth he would have told those idiot Congressmen that they were completely wrong.
possible points could include:
-why is an employee running a P2P program on a government computer?
-if the computer running the P2P program on a personal computer, why is it allowed for the employee to put personal data on it.
-maybe the liability should fall on the employees installing unsecured programs on PCs with sensitive data.
ISPs filtering data traffic is not the answer. |
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Jon
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join:2001-01-20
Lisle, IL
1 edit | Question?
Why are these government employees allowed to install p2p software on their work pc's in the first place?
Lock'em down! |
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dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH | If you're using Limewire - STOP
If this guy's that much of a patsy, expect the next Limewire version to have some kind of filtering built in that reports directly to the FBI/CIA and MAFIAA...
What a loser. |
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apollo80
join:2002-01-31
Richmond, VA | Blame somebody else ...
I love how everyone shifts responsibility to somebody else. |
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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
·XMission
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Re: What's next?
said by ColorBASIC  :Blaming Craftsman when an idiot gov't worker smashes their thumb with a hammer? Too late, I think some non-government worker already did that.
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nitecourt
join:2004-10-19
Erie, PA | Oh great!
I can just see it now. An ISP blocking my Rhapsody service cause they see it as illegal music sharing. And then who I call to get it resolved? |
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL
·AT&T Southeast
| Govt listens to the corporations not the people
I have come to realize that our government does not listen to or care about we the people. Instead the government does what's best for the corporations. Our system of government has failed and most are too blind to see it. We are broke, fighting a hopeless war where our soldiers are dying every day and all our government seems to worry about is junk like illegal file sharing. What about illegal aliens? What about energy? What about the environment? What about drugs?
There are soooo many things that are so much more important, but the only matters that the idiots in Washington can agree on are the ones that involve corporations. Why? Because they pay for campaigns. |
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bi0tech
join:2003-06-19
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Re: Gorton is a tool
SOP - cover your own ass no matter how little sense it makes.
Hello china? Yeah we hear you have this great firewall thing? Can we borrow it for a while?
21st century America, where you have the freedom to take responsibility for nothing! |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to Omega
government network admins are to blame as well, the IT policy in a building with secure information should have a more restrictive firewall.
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Zaber
When all are gone, there shall be none
join:2000-06-08
Cleveland, OH
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·XO COMMUNICATIONS
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Gilitar
Re: Govt listens to the corporations not the people
Your commentary is a sad view on the government in this country. What is sadder is that I cannot find a decent argument against what you have said. Our government is elected by us, to represent us and do what is best for us, I agree there are far more important things they should be focusing on.
I think I will stop now as this is not an appropriate place for my rant.
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to IowaFarm
Re: Oh no no no no
As other posters pointed out, the fault obviously lies with government workers using file-sharing programs, and miconfiguring them, and agencies letting them get away with this non-work activity. There is no "threat to national security" from people using p2p at home.
But you're onto a point that others may be missing. The "national security" excuse is currently effective with the public so the politicians exploit it for everything they want to push. And they've been wanting to find some excuse to clamp down on internet freedom.
So of course it doesn't make any sense; it's a pretext for a different agenda. |
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Sabre
Di relung hatiku bernyanyi bidadari
join:2005-05-17
·Comcast
| Shrewd and mean.
This is actually an impressively shrewd, if hopelessly amoral, position for him to be taking out. By claiming the burden lies with the ISPs, he's essentially calling for a form of blanket immunity for himself, his corporation, and others similarly involved.
Basically he wants to take the burden of legal compliance off Limewire et al., so that essentially he can say "policing our networks for illegal activity isn't our problem. We can share whatever files we want, if you don't like what we're sharing it's your/their/someone else's responsibility to take care of it."
I give him credit for an insightful way to protect his own tail, though I highly dislike his position.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
| Improper and illegal use is not ..
Improper and illegal use is not software vendors or isps responsibility.
It's up to the individual users (or thier babysitters/parents) to monitor thier use of these programs.
It doesnt take a pro to be able to do this, all it takes is being able to read.
If congress is so concerned about illegal filesharing, they should fund law enforcement to enforce the laws that are ALREADY on the books.
Perhaps by creating local cyber law enforcement divisions consisting of professionals.
People that share illegal files are sitting ducks for law enforcement (even if thier encrypted.)
My aunt let her 15 yr old son use her work laptop. He installed limewire and all kinds of other crap (spyware,malware,etc.)
She asked me why her computer was so slow, and I found all that crap and cleaned it off.
I told her why it happened, explained to her son (and the rest of the family) why it happened.
After that incident that particular problem never happened again.
But, they all installed malware/spyware a few times after that unintentionally (on 3 different computers.)
It's not software vendor or thier isps fault that they are ignorant, stupid, and lazy.
Heres how/why they do it:
Oh whats this dam popup? I'll just clickety click and its gone. Clickety click click click click and thier computers are hosed. They dont even read them.
OOoooooh free games/cute screen pets/music! Clickety click click click click, thier computers are hosed again.
I think it took about 5 times hosing thier computers before they got it.
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Clue stick
Does anyone have a clue stick we can use to wack the good senator Waxman (D-California) with?
Note to the FBI/CIA/NSA/TLA that is monitoring this post. This post was not an attempt to cause any bodily harm to the Sen. Waxman. It's meant to point out instead that he is a complete idiot in thinking that it's any P2P software's fault that a classified information is kept in such a way that it can be so easily shared.
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MrMoody
Carbon Based Lifeform
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | reply to ColorBASIC
Re: What's next?
Yeh but corporate America is throwing vast quantities of money at them to find a way kill off P2P ... all that other stuff is the opposite - changing it would cut into big money's bottom line. |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
| Yep it sucks. If I give a politican money in exchange for favors it's a bribe and I go to prison. A corporation does it and it's a contribution.
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to cdru
Re: Clue stick
There are good reasons for the "common carrier" principle. It assures availability of services such as transportation and internet; if carriers were liable for everything they carry, the constant threat of lawsuits would reduce the offerings in the market, and would make the terms for customers more restrictive, thereby hindering commerce in general.
There are huge technical obstacles to ISPs trying to filter everything illegal. They would have to constantly monitor all file contents in all traffic - very expensive and difficult even with the fastest network equipment. And then they would have to identify all illegal content.
Avoiding false positives would mean not assuming all file transfers are copyright-infringing; avoiding false negatives would mean identifying the content of every file in every format and variation, and mapping it all to a vast copyright database that doesn't even exist in today's world. And that's just copyright - libel, illegal pornography, "terrorist" communications and whatever else would present additional challenges.
It's not workable. But you can't explain technology to politicians. They get their simplified versions of it from interested parties - lobbyists, or this guy trying to shift the blame for what his product's users are doing. |
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Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
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join:2002-09-23 |  Oh great
"Similar policies could be mandated for all ISP’s in the United States."
Gee, thanks a lot, Mark!  |
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