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Comments on news posted 2007-08-03 10:50:04: A six-partner coalition (including Microsoft, Google and Dell) wants to use the so-called "white space" spectrum -- partially freed by the migration to digital television -- to offer consumers cheap broadband via the airwaves. ..

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pinot noir6
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Interference Problem

I guess I wouldn't be any too happy if my neighbor's internet connection (or my own) was interfering with my TV show.


TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
 FCC doing what it should be doing ....

.... and that is making sure that new use of airwaves doesn't interfere with existing spectrum.

RayW
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This technology could interfere

with certain other corporate plans.....

I like how when a possible interfering technology comes along it is shot down with detailed studies, but when another interfering technology (BPL) comes along, it is ok.

Not that there are not potential problems with this, the frequencies looked at appear to be in the areas of 54-72 MHz, 76-88 MHz, 174-216 MHz, and 470-698 MHz. Now in about 4 years or so, 54-72 MHz, 76-88 MHz and maybe 174-216 MHz will be going a heck of lot farther than line of sight. Even in today's propagation doldrums I used 50 MHz to talk from the Salt Lake City, Utah area to Seattle, Washington area (and I was only using 50 watts and a 9 foot high dipole). And I have seen reports of 144 MHz doing about the same distances recently back in the crowded east coast areas, although it is much rarer now than it will be. And around 1980, we had our portable/mobile line of sight 48-56 MHz communications wiped out in the San Francisco Bay/Sacramento River Delta area because of skip from units operating in VIRGINIA!

While I am skeptical of the FCC's testing rationale, the technical aspect may be valid.
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ronpin
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Nirvana
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reply to TKJunkMail
Re: FCC doing what it should be doing ....

No way I'm installing this crap in my driveway!!!


Heterman
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Fayetteville, AR
reply to RayW
Re: This technology could interfere

I can see it now. The "new" skip shooting. Erecting 802.1x beams and directional yagis, attaching to a wireless access point hundreds to thousands of miles away.


N3OGH
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Dude, that 6 meter band can do some wacky stuff..

Back in the old regular TV days, 6 meters was the SCOURGE of the rabbit eared...
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RayW
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said by N3OGH See Profile :

Dude, that 6 meter band can do some wacky stuff..

Back in the old regular TV days, 6 meters was the SCOURGE of the rabbit eared...
Yes TVs were not very well designed and some still are not. But I was not using 6 meters in the 80's, I was military using military freqs.
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verizonnet

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Maybe The FCC Fudged The Test

I don't think competent engineers would submit a bogus design for final approval. We already know the FCC is full of shit!


N3OGH
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reply to RayW
Re: This technology could interfere

Gotcha....


John Galt
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reply to verizonnet
Re: Maybe The FCC Fudged The Test

said by verizonnet :

I don't think competent engineers would submit a bogus design for final approval. We already know the FCC is full of shit!
Designs get rejected all of the time. They go back to the drawing board and tweak.

The process is reiterative.
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TScheisskopf
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Belvidere, NJ
reply to Heterman
Re: This technology could interfere

Imagine the fun with Yagis and Log periodics, temperature inversions and meteorite scatter.


CyberRage
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Jasper, AL

reply to RayW
said by RayW See Profile :

said by N3OGH See Profile :

Dude, that 6 meter band can do some wacky stuff..

Back in the old regular TV days, 6 meters was the SCOURGE of the rabbit eared...
Yes TVs were not very well designed and some still are not. But I was not using 6 meters in the 80's, I was military using military freqs.
Yep, TV's used to hava a 50 MHz IF. Didn't go well with 6 meters or anything close to the lower edge of the band.
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RayW
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said by CyberRage See Profile :

said by RayW See Profile :

said by N3OGH See Profile :

Dude, that 6 meter band can do some wacky stuff..

Back in the old regular TV days, 6 meters was the SCOURGE of the rabbit eared...
Yes TVs were not very well designed and some still are not. But I was not using 6 meters in the 80's, I was military using military freqs.
Yep, TV's used to hava a 50 MHz IF. Didn't go well with 6 meters or anything close to the lower edge of the band.
Yes, but if they were correctly designed it would not matter. But that is an argument that has been going on as long as there has been people on two different frequencies.
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Paladin
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join:2001-08-17
Chester, IL
Good luck getting this done

Providing a great Internet access network can enable wireless VoIP, which would eat the cell providers' lunch. Ain't happening.

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Decatur, GA
reply to pinot noir6
Re: Interference Problem

"...the agency concluded that the devices either interfered with TV signals or could not detect them in order to skirt them (emphasis added)."

This is by design, cried Microsoft!
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