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1 edit | Re: The case for the Act from the source Its amazing how many big name politico's are absent.
IE: Boxer, Lugar, Mcain, Harkin.
Wondering where are our so called leaders on such a "important" vote.
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| Re: The case for the Act from the source said by FicmanS  :I noticed the same thing... Ron Paul missed it too.. He most certainly would have voted no...unfortunately, he was attending a family reunion and a rally, with a debate very early the next morning.
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| Re: The case for the Act from the source said by AmeritecTech :said by FicmanS :I noticed the same thing... Ron Paul missed it too.. He most certainly would have voted no...unfortunately, he was attending a family reunion and a rally, with a debate very early the next morning. Yeah! Much more important than trifling matters like liberty.
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| Re: The case for the Act from the source said by hpguru :said by AmeritecTech :said by FicmanS :I noticed the same thing... Ron Paul missed it too.. He most certainly would have voted no...unfortunately, he was attending a family reunion and a rally, with a debate very early the next morning. Yeah! Much more important than trifling matters like liberty. Ron Paul has a consistent record defending Americans from warrantless wiretaps, habeas corpus violations, no-knock searches and an increasingly dominant Executive Branch. Being away from the Congress on this particular day when his one vote would not have changed the outcome is hardly a black mark on his record when he's spent almost every session day for 20 years saying no to the ever-increasing police state. Meanwhile, many of his peers voted to pass the Patriot Act, then campaigned against it and complained they had been tricked into passing it, then voted to re-authorize it.
No doubt, running for President requires making some sacrifices.
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| said by MoJeeper :Its amazing how many big name politico's are absent. IE: Boxer, Lugar, Mcain, Harkin. Wondering where are our so called leaders on such a "important" vote. edit typo It's called playing the fence, they didn't vote so they can pander to everyone.
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| Re: The case for the Act from the source I'm sorry that being in this country makes you feel dumber. Being in America tends to do that to many people who come here.
Yes, once in America, the general lack of knowledge on most subjects is exposed.
For instance, while domestic spying seems to be something invented by George Bush as defined by the popular media, in truth domestic spying hit its peak under the Clinton Administration. Janet Reno was a huge proponent. That comment works on multiple levels where she is concerned.
We here in America are glad you're leaving also. The more of you that come here, the slower we have to speak. | |
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| Re: The case for the Act from the source Actually, blatant Constitutional violation of the FISA law, which provides oversight of spying, is what GWB invented. Quite different than your characterization. And, in fact, there was quite a bit of pushback from privacy advocates as the Clinton-era monitoring evolved into Internet-based services. | |
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| Let Me Be the First To Say.....just to get it out of the way If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
There. 
We have just handed the lock and keys to big brother. I love how they title all of these acts so they sound like warm fuzzy reminders of how the gubmint is looking out for us. 40 years from now, the reports of how this latest scam was misused and abused will surface. They'll be mining data from each and everyone of us within days. Guaranteed. Goodbye checks and balances. | |
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Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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| Re: Let Me Be the First To Say.....just to get it out of the way My first question is... do they even have the facility in place to even start data mining with THAT much input going?
I still don't agree with this law, but at the same time, this is supposed to be the same government that gave us the watergate scandal and is supposed to hold the dna strains of every man, woman and child who's ever handled a penny. 
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| Re: Let Me Be the First To Say.....just to get it out of the way Maybe you missed the whole At&t case (still ongoing in some ways I believe, soon to be smushed by King Bush) but they are already filtering traffic from major regional relays on the At&t network. The usual b.s. applies, that this does not exist, the secret room where it's happening does not exist, the court to oversee this now does not exist.
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| Same Old Whining The same people who complain about the "intrusiveness" of such laws will be the same people who complain the loudest that the government hadn't "done enough" to prevent the next terrorist attack should it be discovered that had eavesdropping been done, the attack could have been prevented.
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1 edit | Re: Same Old Whining said by pnh102 :The same people who complain about the "intrusiveness" of such laws will be the same people who complain the loudest that the government hadn't "done enough" to prevent the next terrorist attack should it be discovered that had eavesdropping been done, the attack could have been prevented. Yawn. How about the elimination of the Inspector General's report? You'd think at least getting the facts on whether the law was being abused is a good idea, then people could either relax knowing it was helping catch terrorists, or if it wasn't a repeal could one day be considered. | |
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| So you're happy with this government's definition of a terrorist? Right now, it's probably something to do with fundamentalist Islamic militants. Tomorrow, it's people who keep reptiles.
Hyperbole? Right now it is, but the point is not to argue about the slippery slope, rather to avoid getting there in the first place.
Terrorism is the red herring the government has always desired so they could dispatch with pesky laws and freedoms. You're handing it over like 40 year old virgin splurging cash with his Vegas showgirl date. | |
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| Re: Same Old Whining said by clickie :Terrorism is the red herring the government has always desired so they could dispatch with pesky laws and freedoms. Interesting parallels to the worries about communism in the 50s. What was that line, something like "those who do not study history are doomed to repeat history."
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| Re: Same Old Whining said by pnh102 :said by halfband :Interesting parallels to the worries about communism in the 50s. You say this as if the fears about communism in the 1950s were not justified. Justify them. Have at it, and don't leave out Vietnam in the 60s -- just for kicks.
Half of that shit was invented to enrich defense contractors, the other half is split between who knows what and aligning powers and resources. They didn't fear commies, they feared the bits and pieces of communist ideology that discourage profits by giving more to the people. Communism, capitalism, fucktardism, they all have inherent faults. Most of them exist to enrich the elite in one form or another, some not, but they're all corrupt and bring with them the mercy of Caesar's chariots. | |
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| So out of fear you want to gleefully hand over more of what formerly made America itself? These type of tactics were not justified then, are not justified now, and will never be. It is simply counterproductive to further totalitarian ideals of government and still claim to be a democracy.
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| How much of the threat was real and how much was more the fear of communism. But the reaction too it became a bigger problem [which is easy to judge in hindsight]. It is much harder to see if the current reaction to terrorism is too little or we have given up too much. We will not know for while yet.
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| They were justified, but they were also abused by politicians to get what they wanted. Just look at McCarthy's list for an example. If you stood in his way you suddenly "became" a communist and could have your life ruined. If we give the government the ability to define who a terrorist is, listen in on everyone to make sure they aren't terrorists, and indefinitely detain (without trial) any people suspected of being terrorists without any checks or balances, we're just begging for the system to be abused by ambitious (or crooked) politicians. | |
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| Re: Same Old Whining True, but let's put aside any allegations of the Bush Administration abusing the power for a second. I'd like to pose a question to those who think the Executive Branch should have the right to spy on US Citizens without any oversight:
How would you feel if Hillary Clinton were elected President? Would you be comfortable with her controlling a huge, unchecked domestic spying program? Would you trust her judgment as to who should be spied on and who shouldn't be?
And even if you trusted Hillary, what about the next President (whomever that might be)? How do we know we can trust them with that power? What if a future President abused the power? How would/should those abuses be brought to light and how would/should that President be stopped from abusing it further? | |
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| said by clickie :So you're happy with this government's definition of a terrorist? Right now, it's probably something to do with fundamentalist Islamic militants. Tomorrow, it's people who keep reptiles. Hyperbole? Right now it is, but the point is not to argue about the slippery slope, rather to avoid getting there in the first place. Ultimately, domestic spying is probably something the IRS has been desiring to do for decades. Once the people's ability to hide income is gone, there is nothing to stop the tax rate from rising toward 100%. Lack of compliance is the only check and balance on increasing taxes. | |
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| said by pnh102 :The same people who complain about the "intrusiveness" of such laws will be the same people who complain the loudest that the government hadn't "done enough" to prevent the next terrorist attack should it be discovered that had eavesdropping been done, the attack could have been prevented. Can you back that up in any way? Aren't you the one complaining about someones straw man arguments? | |
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| Bullhooey. I am an American citizen who takes 100% responsibilty for my actions, my choices and the consequences of both. I fully recognize and accept the reality that we will NEVER be 100% safe. I'm ok with that because I like this thing called freedom, and I like the idea of my government being as hands off as possible.
In retrospect, yes, probably more could have been done to prevent the first attack. Hindsight is 20/20. Also in retrospect, I could be rich now if I hadn't spent all my money on beer 15 years ago. Thats life. I like the freedom to make stupid choices. Now perhaps da gubmint will step in and tell me that I shouldn't be spending so much on beer.....its all good because its in the name of protecting me right?? | |
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| said by pnh102 :The same people who complain about the "intrusiveness" of such laws will be the same people who complain the loudest that the government hadn't "done enough" to prevent the next terrorist attack should it be discovered that had eavesdropping been done, the attack could have been prevented. Yawn. That's a pretty hefty accusation. Upon what do you base your assumption? | |
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| said by pnh102 :The same people who complain about the "intrusiveness" of such laws will be the same people who complain the loudest that the government hadn't "done enough" to prevent the next terrorist attack should it be discovered that had eavesdropping been done, the attack could have been prevented. Yawn. Ad Hominem Tu Quoque, FO SHO!
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| What's the matter with you people? What the hell is the matter with you Americans? Basically, your own representatives have voted that the United States' worst enemy is its own people! Whatever happened to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave? Have you all chickened out for some reason? | |
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Monroe, MI | Re: What's the matter with you people?
Yes, we've chickened out.
We've paid for the illusion of less fear with our freedoms. The only way to get them back is for a revolt or a full-blown revolution. It'll happen someday. | |
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| Re: What's the matter with you people? said by clickie :Yes, we've chickened out. We've paid for the illusion of less fear with our freedoms. The only way to get them back is for a revolt or a full-blown revolution. It'll happen someday. Yeah but by then the first amendment will be retroactively repealed and what you just wrote will have landed you in jail.
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| said by milnoc :What the hell is the matter with you Americans? Basically, your own representatives have voted that the United States' worst enemy is its own people! Whatever happened to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave? Have you all chickened out for some reason? Yup. People don't care. They think if their name isn't Mohammed or Ahmed, they have nothing to worry about.
Just like in the McCarthy era, where alot of people were polled on the street and shown the Bill of Rights, and many thought it was a treasonous Commie document ... | |
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Berwyn, PA | Re: What's the matter with you people? Several days after 9/11 I wonder when we would hear: "Are you now or have you ever been a terrorist?" I am surprised we have not heard it yet. But, maybe they have learned from McCarthy and are doing it secretly rather than in public hearings. | |
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The sheeple only cry if you touch their cable or SUV's. Freedom is free right? Sure you can have it then, we can always get more. | |
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Cedar Park, TX | Relevancy? So what does any of this have to do with comparing/finding/supporting broadband service? | |
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Elizabeth City, NC | Re: Relevancy? Errr... Ummmm... because it gives them the right to monitor your broadband service? | |
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| said by Enlightener :So what does any of this have to do with comparing/finding/supporting broadband service? Broadband ISPs must now provide a back door for the government to allow monitoring.
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| said by Enlightener :So what does any of this have to do with comparing/finding/supporting broadband service? Security is the keyword here. Electronic is relevant.
You're blind if you think security from government abuse doesn't apply to services over broadband. | |
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| Re: Yay Democrats said by Maxo :In the house 41 democrats voted Yay. In the Senate only 16. In all only two Republicans voted against it. With such strong support from the Republicans it would have practically taken a 100% Democrat nay to stop it. 16 of 49 (D) Senators is 32%. They had just enough to force cloture. Coincidence?
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| Still Disappointed with Democrats I think the names of those 41 Democrats should be written down and chastised. In future elections, vote them the hell out. They speak horribly for the party. I am totally disgusted at the actions of some of those in the Democratic Ranks. What happened to stopping the Republican Machine? Fear mongering is a LOAD OF CRAP. I'll see it now and I'll say it again. 20-22,000 People die yearly from murder. Only 5000 or so people have died from terrorism (school shootings, abortion clinic bombings, WTC attacks,, Oklahoma city)in the last 20 yrs. Break that down to a per year figure and that's 25 people a year dead from terrorism. You changes are 200 times more likely to be killed by a murderer / criminal in any given year versus a terrorist. Yet, this administration has taken the STUPID PEOPLE in this country, and sold them a long list of lies. I'm amazed at all the idiots we got here that actually believe these lies. Everyone's out to get you. Sell me your rights and you'll be safe. Sure, I'll give you my magic rock, it wards off terrorists and lions. How do I know, well I've never seen either in my state. IT MUST WORK. It's time people start demanding our rights back and this country to speak for the people. At this present time, we're being suckered into giving up what makes America for some false sense of Security.
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Karl, seriously, the title of this "news" article is really misleading.
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Springfield, MO | "We the people of the United States of America..." "surveillance directed at a person reasonably believed to be located outside of the United States."
Sorry, but if you don't live in the US you have NO constitutional rights. These rights are reserved for US citizens living in the US. | |
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| Re: "We the people of the United States of America..." said by supernac :"surveillance directed at a person reasonably believed to be located outside of the United States." Sorry, but if you don't live in the US you have NO constitutional rights. These rights are reserved for US citizens living in the US. Unfortunately, the determination of the location of the target for surveillance is no longer reviewed by a judge, but rather by the Attorney General, a man who appears to be a liar.
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| Re: R.I.P US Constitution said by RR Conductor :Born-1787 Died-2007 Died from despotism and apathy, he will be sorely missed. May the Good Lord have mercy on his nation, it has a cancer that is growing. You're right. But you got the dates wrong it was 1974 to 2007. When just as in 2006 The electorate believed all the FUD and BS of the left. Look what that gave us FISA, a neutered CIA. Oh and lets not forget why we didn't know what happened in 2001. That lil wall put up between agencies. Gee that did a lot of good....NOT! | |
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| Re: Social Studies said by Cogdis :Everything I learned in school about what made this country great has been reversed in just 6 short years. But despite all of our rights violations that nobody seems to care about anymore, there is one thing that must scare you: NSPD 51(» www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases···-12.html) Just read that. Read how easy it is now for the president to declare martial law and declare himself ABOVE congress and the courts. When the next Hitler is elected president, we are already fucked. Ah why should we? It's a National disaster plan for continuity of government. It's asking for a coordinated plan for the different parts of government. Oh and by the way in times of national crisis the President has always been able to Declare Martial law wherever needed. | |
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| RE:Checks And Balances, We Hardly Knew Ye Well, let it be known, that those Dems who voted for this unconstitutional law, shall be targeted for replacement. One can hardly expect the Cons to do anything other than follow in lock step with Bushco, Inc.
There are a only a few Dems who feel that it will be said they are weak on security, had they not voted for this stupid, stupid law. They should not be in Congress.
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