moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Interesting
I wonder how many of these same people going to FIOS are going because they have a bad taste from dealing with Comcast. How many are just going to see what is on the other side. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
 ·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
 ·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| Switching providers
I think the statistic "Initial incumbent cable subscriber losses can exceed 10%" is rather important. To me, that's not a lot. I didn't read the report (yet) but do they define what "initial" means, as far as a timeframe ?
You always read about people who say "as soon as FIOS is available, I'm switching" but the fact is, they're the exception. Within the first 6 months or so, I'll bet the number is a lot less than 10%. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL | Verizon FiOSTV is "BMW" and Comcast is "Hyundai"
I would love if the President of Verizon's FiOS Department would make a public statement comparing FiOSTV to BMW and Comcast to Hyundai.  |
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chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA
| reply to Hall
Re: Switching providers
10% is not a lot???? I guess you do not own any business.In Average FIOS is about 12-18 months. If you can take 10% away from competitors which have been established for decades in a year that is very important. It shows a strong market presence and aggressive penetration. |
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Rxdoxx
Premium,Mod
join:2000-11-03
Middle River, MD
clubs: 
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
Host:
Software
Washington & Balti..
| Price
Would hope it lowers price.
For all of Comcast's ads hyping speed speed speed, users that have Comcast know that the only time those speeds are even close to experienced is on speed tests. So paying a "premium" for something not really seen, at least makes me become more price conscious.
Assuming other things like reliability and support are equal.
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chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA | reply to Rob
Re: Verizon FiOSTV is "BMW" and Comcast is "Hyundai"
Heck no... he should keep Comcast as the "BMW" but make FiosTV a "Ferrari" and if they are talking about fios internet make an Indy Car |
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china crisis
join:2003-05-28
| reply to Rob
said by Rob  :I would love if the President of Verizon's FiOS Department would make a public statement comparing FiOSTV to BMW and Comcast to Hyundai. Yeah and I guess he would say " I know Comcast has 20 times more subscribers in this area, but our product is still better." |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| said by china crisis :said by Rob :I would love if the President of Verizon's FiOS Department would make a public statement comparing FiOSTV to BMW and Comcast to Hyundai. Yeah and I guess he would say " I know Comcast has 20 times more subscribers in this area, but our product is still better." And he wouldn't be lying!
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John T
@verizon.net
| "no broadband at all"
Where broadband is defined as at least 1 Mbit/s and definitely does not include satellite, according to the graphic. Sure, satellite is kind of crappy-- I think tends to top out around 500 kbit/s and the upload is terrible. The graphic also excludes 768k DSL (assuming that there are areas where 768k DSL is available but not faster speeds).
You've got to pick a dividing line somewhere, even though in reality there's no obvious mark. There are things that are possible or reasonable with 15Mbit and 30 MBit connections that are unreasonable with 1MBit-- if downloading lots of video is something you consider necessary to the Internet, then Massachusetts has fewer real "broadband" options than the map shows. (And after getting used to FIOS, 1MBit is definitely too slow for some of my Internet habits.) |
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wdoa
join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA
·Verizon Online DSL
| Verizon FIOS has very limited availability
Fortunately for the Cable and Satellite operators Verizon will never have FIOS available in more than 30 or 40 percent of the state. Verizon has cut off all further deployment of FIOS in Mass unless & until the legislature gives Verizon a statewide video franchise. Oh yeah, and they are also going around and saying if the state doesn't let them keep a tax exemption on their telephone poles (that was given in the 1920s to encourage the introduction of telephone service to rural areas), they will cut back their spending in Massachusetts. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Rxdoxx
Re: Price
Not a chance.
Verizon is hoping the price stays the same so they can recoup their investment faster. Plus, if it was lower than Comcast, then the people will cry when it does go up in a year to match Comcast ("Why did we swithc in the first place?!") |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to chemaupr
Re: Switching providers
I mean based on what you hear from people. Some would have you believe 80% of the customers would drop their current "supplier" and switch to an alternative. In reality, that doesn't happen. Odds are, you ask people in these towns and they may not even know FIOS exists or if it does, "it's gotta be expensive", not realizing that the competitive nature will normally make it the same price or lower. |
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Rickez
Goinginsane
join:2000-09-02
Three Rivers, MA
 ·Vonage
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
| Verizon
Verizon has not been a good company to Ma. for a long time. We suspect Western Ma will go up for sales as Maine and Vermont did by Verizon. Being around a lot of broadband customers in western/Central Ma I can say this Comcast is reliable. Verizon suffers many issues. There is rumors of FIOS being advertised out here but I have not seen any of it.
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| reply to moonpuppy
Re: Interesting
I switched June 1. Of couarse I wanted FIOS but I was much more interested in what I'd be getting for my dollar. FIOS offered me faster speeds and more channels than Comcast although only for a few dollars less but thats still more money in my pocket. I called Comcast to see if they would match or beat Verizon's offer and they didn't budge.
Three months later now, I'm getting flyers in my mailbox at least once every week from Comcast offering a realy great deal on tripple play packages. Unfortunately, now that I've experienced FIOS I'm not willing to go back to Comcast which I often experienced pixelation (sp) when watching my favorite programs. |
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| SoCal
In southern california, where 80% of the cable market is dominated by Time Warner Cable (and a smaller portion is Cox), TWC has opted to give higher speeds for the same price in areas where they have to compete with FIOS. This tells me they are definitly taking FIOS seriously.
Unfortunately, I live in a AT&T area, with no UVerse, and therefore I don't get the same speeds they get 10 miles down the road from me 
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to NPGMBR
Re: Interesting
Only once a week?
I have comcast and they call me non-stop along with flyers every other day. |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA | LOL Luckily for me its only about once a week. I just rip them up and toss them. Now im thinking about dropping my TiVo service and checking out Verizon's DVR. Just need to see if it can compete with TiVo. |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to NPGMBR
said by NPGMBR :..not willing to go back to Comcast which I often experienced pixelation (sp) when watching my favorite programs... UGH, I have the same problem with Comcast here in PA. It's especially bad if you have a big screen TV.
Calmo....Calmo..... Fios TV is coming....
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
| depends on the company
It all depends on the company. HEr eon Long Island Cablevision is doing a great job with competing with verizon.
They just increased speeds for a second time. they increased the speeds on the basic internet from 15/2 to 16.5/2 .
They might have even increased the boost speeds also but we are still not sure if thats an error or not. People have reported that the download caps have been taken away.
Cablevision is doing a great job at competing. |
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RCNHit
@rcn.com
| Good
At least there is one positive in the story posted. That RCN is taking a big hit.
RCN is losing money and cant even retain their own customers in the markets with FIOS TV as customers move over.
14k lost subs for RCN may not sound like much but the company is losing money at a fast clip and sub hits like that will cut into RCN deep and hurt bad. RCN's strategies are all lame and wont cut the mustard for them to stay afloat anymore. |
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