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Comments on news posted 2007-08-14 13:31:26: Time Warner Cable's original network DVR service "Mystro" received rave reviews from trial participants, but the company scratched the system because of legal threats from the broadcast industry. ..

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hayabusa3303
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Great.

I live in Sc and all they do is screw around with TV how about faster internet speeds PLEASE. 5/384 is getting slow you know.


Anonymous
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Useless

Most people have DVRs because they can skip ads.

Jonbo298

join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
Yeah. While DVR's are popular because its easier then trying to use the ol' VCR and whatnot, its the skipping of ads that is most beneficial. I can watch a show like Jericho in 40 minutes rather then having to sit through the entire friggin hour due to ads.

Its mainly why when I watched TV more, I'd just record the show, do something else, and watch it later because I can only waste 40 minutes or so watching the show rather the the entire hour when I can do something else for that entire hour.

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reply to Anonymous
Exactly. When I watch a Tivo'ed show, I skip all the ads.

Nothing more annoying than watching a show and being bombarded with impotence... Sorry, "ED", drugs every couple of minutes.
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Doctor Four
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Why mess with PVRs when there are capture cards

and WinTV?

Then you don't even have to deal with the DRM and other
things such as UOPs (borrowing a term used for DVDs here).

Then you can record TV for later viewing anytime without
any restrictions (though PVR cards may start doing the
same if Hollywood shouts loud enough - and then it would
make older non-DRM crippled cards valuable items.)
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jtudor
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reply to Jonbo298

Re: Useless

OT --

Hey man, another Jericho fan here.

NUTS to you!

(as one fan to another, I am sure you understand!!)
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jtudor
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reply to hayabusa3303

Just Wait

It probably won't be long until all the cable companies cripple DVR's to keep you from skipping ads.

That is the most useful feature of the DVR, and it would just kill the business for them I would think.
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dadkins
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reply to Doctor Four

Re: Why mess with PVRs when there are capture cards

said by Doctor Four:

and WinTV?

Then you don't even have to deal with the DRM and other
things such as UOPs (borrowing a term used for DVDs here).

Then you can record TV for later viewing anytime without
any restrictions (though PVR cards may start doing the
same if Hollywood shouts loud enough - and then it would
make older non-DRM crippled cards valuable items.)
Damn Right!
Two VAIOs here with TV cards/DVR software(from factory), not to mention the VHS(yeah, still have one hooked up) that has a "Commercial Skip" button on it.

*NO* Fees either!
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smcallah

join:2004-08-05
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reply to hayabusa3303

Re: Great.

Until they have more Internet customers than TV customers they probably won't bother.


RARPSL

join:1999-12-08
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reply to Anonymous

Re: Useless

said by Anonymous:

Most people have DVRs because they can skip ads.
There is also the advantage of being able to record a show while viewing another that is being aired at the same time as well as doing "Time Shifting" (recording a show for viewing later due to not being there to watch it when it airs or due to it airing at an inconvenient time [such as a rebroadcast when you are sleeping]).

As an example of Time Shifting, I was on vacation a few weeks back and had my DVR record the shows I would normally be watching and then viewed them once I got home.


FFH5
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reply to Anonymous
said by Anonymous:

Most people have DVRs because they can skip ads.
Second that. Skipping all the commercials is the best part of having a DVR.
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Doctor Four
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reply to dadkins

Re: Why mess with PVRs when there are capture cards

Incidentally, I got my WinTV 250 card along with a VCR-
DVD Player combo so I could transfer my old tapes (though
I found most of the self recorded ones done at the slowest
speed to be of inferior quality and not worth taking the
time to capture.)

It also seems to bypass the standard CSS/CPPM copy
protection found on most older commercial DVDs as well.
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ElJay

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Re: Useless

With all of the product placement going on today, they should be paying US to watch these shows. I probably would not be watching TV at all if it was not for my MythTV box and its commercial flagging ability. As product placement continues to become more intrusive I will probably get frustrated with it and just give up TV completely. I would not mind saving myself about $700 a year after ditching the cable subscription, not to mention the countless hours I waste watching it.


Sircolby45

join:2005-11-26
reply to Anonymous
Couldn't agree more. "The service won't let you fast-forward through ads" That is a deal breaker for me.
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Hall
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Small price to pay

In my area, TW charges $4.95 - $9.95/mo for DVR service. Seems a small price to pay in order to be able to skip commercials.


Jwobot

join:2002-08-14
Sterling Heights, MI

Why are they not picking on VCR users?

I hear a lot of the suits complaining about people skipping commercials and time shiffting with DVR's. But how come they never mention "VCR's" as well?

When you get down to the basics, the two devices are the samething but they never mention VCR's.

smcallah

join:2004-08-05
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DVR's are much easier to setup to record than a VCR, this is obviously why they don't worry.

You can't set a VCR to record for a week or 2 worth of shows without changing the tape. Can't really do this on vacation without more than one VCR, which is annoying.

Fast forwarding through commercials is very high speed on a DVR, and not as annoying to rewind if you miss the start of the show after commercial.

DVR's are easy enough, that when people get used to them, they record a lot more than they did on a VCR.

The people that record this much on VCR's and are used to the annoyances are few and far between.

After using DVR's for the last 7 years, I'd never record TV with a VCR again, I'd rather just miss the show.

Not to mention, HD VCR's and HD tapes are expensive and hard to find, and just as annoying.


djrobx
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reply to Hall

Re: Small price to pay

Is that $9.95 including the box, though? Here in SoCal we get nailed with both a $9.95 "DVR Fee" plus another charge for the box:

08/13 - 09/12 DVR Fee 9.95

08/13 - 09/12 DVR Fee 9.95

08/13 - 09/12 Digital Video Receiver 4.24
(includes Remote Control At $.23)

08/13 - 09/12 Additional Digital Video 6.95
Recorder (includes Remote Control At $.23), And Digital Programming Fee


Rombus
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Why is it TWCs fault?

I love how people like to blame the cable co for not allowing commercial skip.

Its the content providers and the crazy lawsuits that throw fair use out the window thats to blame.


sandwidth

join:2004-10-22
Ontario, CA
reply to Jwobot

Re: Why are they not picking on VCR users?

Agreed!

I watched the entire final round of the 89th PGA Championship in less than one hour. (That's almost SIX HOURS worth of programming in less than 1 hour!!!)

I was pressed for time between appointments & managed to watch Tiger win & pretty much catch his entire play time in the round & even the end holding up the trophy & shots of his wife & the baby.

THAT paid for DVR all by itself!!

If they take DVR's away, I may just make the whole friggin' TV go away...........PERIOD!

kfleming99

join:2004-02-17
Seminole, FL

Sage TV

I love using my Sage TV setup with unlimited external drives and being able to stream the videos to any TV in the house using a laptop and a S-video cord.

Not to mention the fact that all these serial type shows get canceled mid season. I just record and wait to see if they are getting high enough ratings for a second season b4 I even invest the time in watching the show in the first place. Almost deleted my remaining Jerico shows b4 i watched them and then the nuts campaign actually worked.


TV Worker

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The other side of ad-skipping

As someone who works for program producers that supply network/cable channels, commercial skipping is killing our business. If you wonder why there are so many more reality shows vs dramatic shows, skipping is your answer. Product placement does not come close to offsetting the revenue lost for ad skipping. I'm already preparing to leave the business as well as many others because large scale dramas are for the most part money losers. Diminishing ratings used to be offset by DVD season sales, but they're tanking as well due to illegal downloads (which will disappear, too, when programmers give up). See any new programs on Friday and Saturday nights? They've already been abandoned with the exception of reruns and reality. Don't bother to buy or lease a DVR, YouTube is your viewing future.

BIGHUSKER3

join:2002-01-20
Minneapolis, MN
Sweet!

ElJay

join:2004-03-17
reply to TV Worker
So people got tired of sitting through 16+ minutes of commercials for every hour of TV programming, and the networks are surprised at this? Most of the ads seem to be for either cars or medication, and I don't need to be sold either one of those.


TV Worker

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Hey BIGHUSKER and eljay001, after re-reading my post, it may sound as if I'm bitter, in fact, I'm not. This is the natural course of events and has happened to many industries. Without commercial-skipping disabled, the DVR and network/cable model is not likely to last long. In its place will be things like YouTube and Apple TV (direct download). My guess is that iTunes will eventually offer free TV shows with embedded commercials that can't be skipped, giving you the choice to pay for the show without commercials or watch the show for free with. Network and cable shows probably can't exist in its current form if large amounts of people skip commercials. Rating systems are being changed to measure viewing of the commercials, in addition the show itself. Ad spending is jumping to the internet in a big way. And as the audiences go from mass-size to niche size, the amount of big scale shows and money put into them are sure to decrease, lessing the need for a DVR in the first place.


My Opinion

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Just cause I can't forward the commercials still doesn't mean I'm going to watch it. Most of the commercials treat you like you're a two year old or just plain stupid and I am definitely not interested in sexual enhancements and drugs. Shoving these stupid commercials in my face encourages me to boycott the product rather than buy it. I have learned quite well how to become immune and ignore them.

I find better things to do than watch old reruns and reality shows on TV but when I do watch TV occasionally, I keep a puzzle book and the remote handy so I can mute the TV and then I use my brain for a few minutes instead of being treated like an idiot.

The moral is you can lead a person to the TV but you can never make then watch the commercials.


mckenna797
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reply to djrobx

Re: Small price to pay

here in NYC the dvr is also the cable box mine is SA 8300hddvr for 9.95, you may need to check with billing your bill looks like your being charge more than once for the same items

fiberguy
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Re: Why are they not picking on VCR users?

You forgot and over looked the most obvious reason... because when it's digital and hooked into a network, they put their grubby little hands on the device. To date, a VCR is not something they can control.

I will GLADLY spend what ever it takes the day that someone comes out with a DVR which is basically a VCR with out tapes. I don't want a guide that is mandatory, I don't want a monthly fee that is required to even view content I already recorded, and I don't want someone else telling me how I can use and view my content.

The courts have already ruled over and over at every new piece of video viewing technology that people have the fair right to record and use content and always ruled against Hollywood. There was the Beta, the VHS, Laser Disc, DVD, and they lost all of the battles.. Now, they have their hands on the DVR yet no one is looking?

Take Discovery Channel. They can flag the digital version of that network but not analog. As far as I am concerned, its the same program, different delivery.

The current administration sure has made it obvious where their priorities are.

Time to fire them all and set America back on track.

I'm surprised there's not a "hand off my DVR grass roots campaign" already started.
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reply to TV Worker

Re: The other side of ad-skipping

Sorry to hear it bud.. but the fact is that you can't force feed someone something they don't want.

Here's a few things:

1) People work hard to avoid ads - it's their right! Telemarketers want the right to annoy people at dinner and feel it's their right to dial up MY phone line that *I* pay for. Broadcasters want to force feed me ads on Cable TV to which I PAY for. What part of that don't they get?

2) If you want the answer as to what's killing your business, stop looking to commercials. That's horse hooey. The self made rating system is a man made self soothing failure. Meaning, their way of measuring the viewer ship of ads is what they want it to be and has little statistical data to really chew on. The system can't measure, or get, that most people get up and simply do other things during a commercial.. No one really pays attention to commercials - period. Advertisers aren't advertising for many other reasons.

What also is killing your business are the very people they employ. To be honest, the people are getting tired of [insert any actor/actress name here] showing up in sex scandals, drinking and driving b.s., in and out of re-hab, and shall I even bother to pick on the Tom Cruises of the world?

They need to cut those idiots from the air or cut their salaries. There is PLENTY of money out there to shore up their industry. Cut them all.. across the board. If they don't want to work for 25% of their normal pay, then these reality shows do JUST fine! These snobs who act on TV will surely take what they can to "act" on TV and still do fine. Enough! The industry is self bloated and has way too much room to trim itself to stay alive.

3) The DVD sales loss to download is a pile of crap spoon fed by the industry. Download sites or viewing sites like YouTube have actually helped sales. People see it and then they want it. I'm only one person testifying to this, but I've looked up things on YouTube and went straight to Best Buy and purchased the series or DVD movie.

I wrote a thread in another topic about business models and why industries are failing. The ones that are failing are being bought out by younger start-up companies. Why? Because the old fogies and old ways of running a business (which is text book one track minded) isn't cutting it with today's more sophisticated consumer.

Younger execs try hard to change things in companies they work for only to be shut down by the old time suits. Eventually, the younger execs leave, start their start up and many times end up buying the "old news" businesses out.

Hollywood and programmers will ultimately wake up and realize that people are turning away from them because of how they treat people. Greed is what is killing them, not YouTube, the DVR or other "excuses".. If they don't knock their crap off, Hollywood will drastically cut back with out choice.

Reality TV is perfectly entertaining to people because people like to relate to their own kind. The Government which is WE THE PEOPLE is no longer a part of us.. it's us vs. them. Once someone becomes part of Hollywood, they are no longer regular folk, they become THEM.. Regular people are tired of being treated like lower class by the few elites in this country who enjoy being someone over others. The rest of us are tired of it.

Hollywood can continue to rot, or evolve and get with modern times.

By the way.. new programs on Friday and Saturday...? That's part of the break down of the family. The break down of Friday and Saturday happened WELL over a decade ago. The last I can remember of any decent weekend programming was Fantasy Island, Dukes of Hazard, and Love Boat. After those shows, the weekends took a dump.. this happened years ago. Families don't sit down and have TV time any more.

I'm sorry but I can't buy a single piece of your post. Not bashing YOU.. just can't agree with a single thing you said.
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NPGMBR

join:2001-03-28
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reply to jtudor

Re: Useless

Ditto that. Another Fan here a well.