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kudos:1 | Re: COMCRAP said by LiberalKing:WILL ALWAYS BE COMCRAP and if cablevision fOllows this fraud ILL SUE THEM Fraud? Three letters, TOS  | |
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kudos:1 | Re: COMCRAP said by LiberalKing:keep sticking for the big corps sheep. Since I don't use BT, doesn't really affect me. Also, sheep? Um | |
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| | | | | | Re: COMCRAP Gotta love 3rd party DSL resellers like DSL Extreme... no traffic shaping, and any port blocking is listed. | |
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kudos:5 | said by formercanuck :
Gotta love 3rd party DSL resellers like DSL Extreme... no traffic shaping, and any port blocking is listed.
I've been giving that a lot of thought, myself. I've had DSL 3 times. I've subscribed to Verizon directly, and I've subscribed to resellers on two different occasions.
As a power user, I really appreciated the way that the resellers worked. They were much more eager to make me happy! | |
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PwnZone | Re: COMCRAP said by Mactron:Simple solution... don't use them.   if its the only broadband option then your out of luck.
this boils down to a network neutrality debate. in the end the power-user like most of us at this site will be alienated and forced to create our own underground network. | |
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| | | said by LiberalKing:WILL ALWAYS BE COMCRAP and if cablevision fOllows this fraud ILL SUE THEM Sue away. You will just be throwing your money down a rat hole. You have no chance of winning.
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| | | | Re: COMCRAP said by fAcEtIOUs:said by LiberalKing:WILL ALWAYS BE COMCRAP and if cablevision fOllows this fraud ILL SUE THEM Sue away. You will just be throwing your money down a rat hole. You have no chance of winning. Agreed. Stupid to sue over your lack of being able to download illegal stuff.
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1 edit | Re: COMCRAP said by deleted post :
she believes bit-torrent = illegal
And if 90 percent of the content wasn't illegal, I don't think Comcast would be doing this, now would they? | |
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kudos:1 | Sure they would. Separate Justification from Reason and you'll see why.
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1 edit | Re: COMCRAP said by Cheese:said by deletedpost :
she believes bit-torrent = illegal
And if 90 percent of the content wasn't illegal, I don't think Comcast would be doing this, now would they? Let's see...
2/3rds to 3/4ths of Internet traffic is P2P. All P2P protocols use the TCP/IP protocol to transfer files.
Therefore, by your reasoning, it's okay if Comcast bans the TCP/IP protocol since most of what is carried on it is illegal.
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Cheyenne, WY | Re: COMCRAP said by supergirl:said by fAcEtIOUs:said by LiberalKing:WILL ALWAYS BE COMCRAP and if cablevision fOllows this fraud ILL SUE THEM Sue away. You will just be throwing your money down a rat hole. You have no chance of winning. Agreed. Stupid to sue over your lack of being able to download illegal stuff. I play World of Warcraft. Created by a legitimate company (Blizzard), bought and paid for legally. The folks over at Blizzard have determined that the best way to distribute updates for the game is via a client that uses the same protocol as bittorrent.
So, if I was to have comcast, you are pretty much saying they have every right to block the needed data in order for me to play the game.
Just because it CAN be used for something illegal doesn't give them the right to block the protocol entirely. If that was the case then we wouldn't have Xerox machines, CD/DVD burners, VCR's, the list can go on and on.
Plus allowing companies to block stuff like this could set a dangerous precedent. What if Comcast suddenly decides that DSLR should be blocked because they have negative articles about the company? | |
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kudos:1 | Re: COMCRAP said by Omega:I play World of Warcraft. Created by a legitimate company (Blizzard), bought and paid for legally. The folks over at Blizzard have determined that the best way to distribute updates for the game is via a client that uses the same protocol as bittorrent. So, if I was to have comcast, you are pretty much saying they have every right to block the needed data in order for me to play the game. Just because it CAN be used for something illegal doesn't give them the right to block the protocol entirely. If that was the case then we wouldn't have Xerox machines, CD/DVD burners, VCR's, the list can go on and on. Plus allowing companies to block stuff like this could set a dangerous precedent. What if Comcast suddenly decides that DSLR should be blocked because they have negative articles about the company? They aren't "blocking" you from getting the file from what I am reading, once it's done and you start sending is when this is happening. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: COMCRAP The Sandvine product is meant to block seeding (uploading after finishing a downloaded torrent), but in reality they also are rate limiting the download side of things too. They may be using a bucket method of rate limiting, or they may simply limit the number of possible connections to something relatively low, like 50 or 100 concurrent connections per modem. That would in effect slow your torrent download because you're unable receive as many pieces of a torrent at a time.
World of Warcraft is an excellent example of a legitimate use of P2P technology. Blizzard doesn't want to have to pay for bandwidth, so instead of hosting their own files in massive data centers (as some might argue that they should), they rely on ISP's to carry bare the burden of their game file transfers. Definitely a win-win scenario for Blizzard, not so much for the ISP's.
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| Re: COMCRAP said by Done_Posting:The Sandvine product is meant to block seeding (uploading after finishing a downloaded torrent), but in reality they also are rate limiting the download side of things too. They may be using a bucket method of rate limiting, or they may simply limit the number of possible connections to something relatively low, like 50 or 100 concurrent connections per modem. That speaks to aspect of the other problem.
from a network management view even if available bandwidth is far less limited as with fiber, a client that persistantly attempt to make dozens to hundreds of connection across multiple ports, looks a lot like worm or DoS activity, something that ISP's have an obligation (morally, if not legally) to block/restrict. | |
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4 edits | said by Cheese:said by Omega:I play World of Warcraft. Created by a legitimate company (Blizzard), bought and paid for legally. The folks over at Blizzard have determined that the best way to distribute updates for the game is via a client that uses the same protocol as bittorrent. So, if I was to have comcast, you are pretty much saying they have every right to block the needed data in order for me to play the game. They aren't "blocking" you from getting the file from what I am reading, once it's done and you start sending is when this is happening. When you upddate WOW through the client it uses bit torrent protocol.
Now here is the problem, if you watch the download will get to 99% and stay there a while. This is because you are required to SHARE a certain amount of the update (That means sending data) before you are allowed to get to 100% complete and continue.
If they block you from sending then they are also blocking you from receiving the update.
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| Re: COMCRAP said by b10010011:Now here is the problem, if you watch the download will get to 99% and stay there a while. This is because you are required to SHARE a certain amount of the update (That means sending data) before you are allowed to get to 100% complete and continue.. That isn't true, I've downloaded 100% without uploading a single byte. It happened recently so I'm guessing it was caused by the upload blocking.
That said if Comcast users are blocked from uploading then the amount of seeders drops dramatically (since Comcast is the largest ISP in the U.S.). If the number of seeders drops too low, then downloading will be very, very slow.
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join:2005-01-03 | said by Cheese:They aren't "blocking" you from getting the file from what I am reading, once it's done and you start sending is when this is happening. But that is how BT works. If nobody is allowed to seed, nobody can download, either. That is why it is called file sharing. | |
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kudos:4 | Simple then. cap your download until you've seeded how much you want.
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kudos:5 | Re: COMCRAP said by dvd536:Simple then. cap your download until you've seeded how much you want. This really is a good idea, folks.
For any particular torrent, set your upload limit at 20kB/s, set your download limit to about 15kB/s of this. You should be able to complete your download with a great ratio every time!
The exception might be old torrents that have few peers, but it's always been tough to make a ratio on those -- with or without Comcast's "management" getting in the way.
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hiatus | said by Omega:Plus allowing companies to block stuff like this could set a dangerous precedent. What if Comcast suddenly decides that DSLR should be blocked because they have negative articles about the company? [sarcasm]
Corporations can do whatever they want... You don't mean crap and you are subservient to the desires, wishes and profit motives of those companies and to believe otherwise is un-American. So bend over and take it like a good American.
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Okay, I don't believe that, but that is the basis of the arguments in favor of this type of activity by Comcast.
And quit giving upper management ideas...
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| said by Omega:I play World of Warcraft. Created by a legitimate company (Blizzard), bought and paid for legally. The folks over at Blizzard have determined that the best way to distribute updates for the game is via a client that uses the same protocol as bittorrent. Best?
Or cheapest (for blizzard)? Rather than Blizzard have a large number of high capacity servers, and paying for high capacity connection at peak bandwidth rates, they seed a few hundred/thousand torrents a spread the cost and bandwidth demand to others.
even if comcast is blocking torrents specifically (so far un-PROVEN) I would doubt they know or care about the legality of the content, merely that it is interfering with the operation of their network. | |
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| | | You can sue and get what? a promotional price for service the company offers at most what 5 or 10% off maybe CableTV?
If they don't end up with your house because you spent all your money trying to sue them. | |
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Suffern, NY | said by LiberalKing:WILL ALWAYS BE COMCRAP and if cablevision fOllows this fraud ILL SUE THEM As a Cablevision user who uses BT I can state that CV is screwing around with any attempt to run a BT session (even just downloading). For the past week or so, as soon as I attempt to start to do a download, the peers shut down and go inactive. This is not a torrent that I am seeding but one where I have no pieces to seed in the first place. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: COMCRAP said by Lordicon :
well..I can't connect to any p2p or torrents.... What city are you in? Are others in your city similarly affected? | |
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Comcast needs to be honest about it's throttling techniques. For me, the point is not if they throttle BitTorrent or not, it's the fact that they deny and lie about it. If there's one thing I can't stand is a liar.
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kudos:5 | Re: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... said by Nightshade:Comcast needs to be honest about it's throttling techniques. For me, the point is not if they throttle BitTorrent or not, it's the fact that they deny and lie about it. ... and/or did not disclose it as it was being implemented.
I'm with you, Nightshade!
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However, they should be upfront and open about it. I don't agree with invisible caps, the word "excessive" should be defined and the word "unlimited" should be thrown out if that is not the case.
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| | we pay for it so let us use it. "But Comcast does reserve the right to cut off service to customers who abuse the network by using too much bandwidth."
its not really abuse, it's the fact that there network can not handle it is more like it. after all, we pay for bandwith ($60+ a month), therefore we should get to use it regardless the amount downloaded via any means. that is kinda like dial up saying you get a 56k connection but you can only download 200 megs per month. makes no sence to me. afterall, we pay for it, so let us use it. without the customer, the company is nothing. | |
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| | | Re: we pay for it so let us use it. said by scooterr50:"But Comcast does reserve the right to cut off service to customers who abuse the network by using too much bandwidth." its not really abuse, it's the fact that there network can not handle it is more like it. after all, we pay for bandwith ($60+ a month), therefore we should get to use it regardless the amount downloaded via any means. that is kinda like dial up saying you get a 56k connection but you can only download 200 megs per month. makes no sence to me. afterall, we pay for it, so let us use it. without the customer, the company is nothing. This is an extremely dead horse, so I'm going to put away my stick. I'll summarize by telling you that there are essentially two schools of thought at play when it comes to rate limiting:
Group A - Those who understand that unlike a $500+ T1, broadband is a "time share / best effort" connection which does not guarantee you any set speed. Your ISP's TOS agreement should more or less state this.
Group B - Those who believe that even though it can cost an ISP over $5000 a month for 45 Mbps of bandwidth, they should be allowed to completely max out their broadband connection 24/7 for $50 or whatever a month.
There are many factors at play; economics, potentially shady marketing, and customer ignorance being the key factors in my mind. In the end, I don't think there will ever be a resolution to this argument which pleases everyone involved.
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| | | | Re: we pay for it so let us use it. how much it cost's is not my point. it's the fact that we pay for it and can not reep the FULL rewards. im sure most of us never read the TOS (at least i do not). just my 2 cents. | |
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| Re: we pay for it so let us use it. said by scooterr50:how much it cost's is not my point. it's the fact that we pay for it and can not reep the FULL rewards. im sure most of us never read the TOS (at least i do not). just my 2 cents.
If you didn't read the contract, how do you know what you are paying for?
You may already be recieving more than the ToS allows, in which case you should be posting how generous comcast has been to you. | |
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| I am on cable and have never used BT for anything. I don't want my neighbors helping to distribute software for commercial companies that have the money to distribute their own files. My speed is determined by what those around me are doing and legal or not I would rather it not be done.
A lot of BT traffic is legal. Most is not legal. If it weren't for all of the illegal BT traffic, and traffic from commercial companies that cheap out and put the burden for distributing their product on the back of users and their ISP you guys that have a legit purpose wouldn't be having a problem with this. | |
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| Get used to it Get used to it... Rogers Cable here in Canada has been throttling BT and other P2P, legal or not for a good part of 2 years... Switch to DSL if available...
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| | Capping a cap We are already capped as far as upload is concerned so by limiting the seeding of torrents they are actually capping the cap. Why can't they just leave the upload cap be?
As for those posting about all the illegal stuff that goes on, sure it happens, but there is so much more legal reasons to use BT. Even NASA uses BT to distribute their Whirledwind application. I personally trade/share legal live music files and DVDs and my ratio is taking a dump with this.
And the argument for changing isps? Comcrap is the only game in town for me. They are a monopoly in the truest sense of the word. As soon as FIOS comes my way, they're history. | |
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| | this sucks I can't support my favorite linux distro anymore by seeding the ISO. 
»www.slackware.org/getslack/torrents.php
I leave it running all day and have my max upload speed set to a mere 40KB/s. All I get are sporadic bursts as Comcast is resetting all the connections with forged packets.
I guess the message they are sending is, "We don't care if you download, only if you upload."
I cannot even upload larger media files to my website anymore as even that ftp connection is reset repeatedly. I tested this with some friends' ftp servers and the same thing occurs. But as expected it works fine (just slower oddly) uploading to my Comcast web space via ftp. I am left having to use YouTube.
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| | | Re: this sucks said by binarycode:I cannot even upload larger media files to my website anymore as even that ftp connection is reset repeatedly. I don't know about your personal circumstances, but if the limiting is causing you financial hardships (like if you have to upload video or large PDF's for work or something), you may want to consider getting together with some of your neighbors and going in on a T1, frac T1, ether, or whatever other SLA'ed type of circuit might be available in your area. Maybe you could work out an arrangement to allow them full access to the downstream bandwidth and reserve 3/4 of the upstream bandwidth for yourself? One of my friends just got 4 Mbps symmetric ether for less than $400 per month, so hopefully something like that might be available to you.
Either way, good luck!
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To uniformly blanket the entire network with their throttling methods is not only wrong, it should be illegal.
P2P is not illegal. BitTorrent is not illegal. What they need to do is focus on individuals who use the most bandwidth and address the issue on an individual basis.
Many people, myself included, use the BT network for completely legal reasons and now since we are not able to, feel as if Comcast is breaching their own TOS by not providing us the services which we are paying money for.
They continue to market their services as "unlimited" while hiding behind their cleverly written TOS using terms such as "excessive" and "too much" yet they will never give a concrete definition of said terms.
I am now looking into Bellsouth DSL, the only other broadband provider in my area. The speeds are not as fast as Comcast, but at least they actually let their users upload. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Don't Use Comcast said by Diaboyos:I can understand the saturation issues Comcast is facing. Actually, I don't.
Comcast has made profits hand-over-fist.
Last year, they made over $2.5 Billion after taxes and all expenses. That's on top of the $1 Billion they made in each of the two years before that. This year is looking bright, too -- $1.4 Billion as of June 30th!
This is a company that can afford to widen the tubes if it chooses to. The USA is far behind the broadband curve -- and the free market is not keeping up (because we don't have a free market when it comes to broadband -- most of us have only one or two choices).
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| | Too much BANDWIDTH??? WTF? What in the fuck do they mean by TOO MUCH BANDWIDTH??? If they are giving you speeds of up to 20mbps what the fuck are they doing making a goddamn statement like that? You don't give high speed access and then complain about "bandwidth", that's a non-motherfucking sequitor! I'm so angry I can shit a masonry brick.. Comcast never said anything to me about any bandwidth restrictions when I signed up - and I don't give a shit who I am downloading from, they are just flat out wrong to threaten to cut off users due to "bandwidth usage". Will some other company PLEASE give these bitches some motherfucking competition so some of us can have some relief from this tyrannical bullshit!!!! DAMMMMMITTT!!!! | |
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| Which came first: chicken or egg? Comcast advertises it's high speed network. However, if 2/3 - 3/4 of it's broadband is for P2P, the speed is what people are wanting. If you going to piddle around with P2P at low speeds, than DSL will work just fine for email, surfing, and P2P. As others have noted, even gaming over Comcasts shared network isn't all that great. If they restrict bandwidth but advertise high bandwidth, what is the point of using them? | |
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Comcast - Baltimore, MD
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»www.joost.com/blog/2007/01/venic···age.html
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1 edit | none here... no seeding problems here...
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Quincy, MA | Re: Usenet 760 is about right for 6mbit service. In no way is that traffic shaping. | |
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| | You're Missing the Point It's not my fault Comcast advertised an unlimited service for 60$ a month, if the did not mean unlimited then oops on them, that's what they sold me. Now that i've gotten used to maxing it out, they say i'm abusing the network??? It's unlimited, now i know I cost them way more than 60bux.. but that's not my problem, provide me with another solution, and stop advertising, POWERBOOST for your LARGER video files blah blah blah, it's the P2P that has brought so many people to them and they know it. It's like an all you can eat buffet where you can only eat a bunch if the store is empty, if there are other people they remove the all you can eat after you've paid, sorry about your luck buddy! i'm routing my traffic through a shell acount.. peace! | |
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