pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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|  Verizon Shoots Itself in the Foot
I like how these reports are coinciding with Verizon's present "POTS is 99.9999999999% reliable" advertising campaign.
At least in these days the market for phone service is far more competitive than it used to be. I know that if had POTS service that I couldn't use, I would have ported that number to VOIP or a cell provider ASAP.
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DaveNJ
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New Jersey | Franchise agreements ?
So i guess all those people against franchise agreements did themselves a great service. Now the phone company wants a lower standard. Because it doesnt like you. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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|  Verizon right about one thing
Verizon says it is an unfair and arbitrary standard that aren't [sic] applied to its competitors in the increasingly competitive telecommunications market. And that statement is true. Whether Verizon gets reduced standards or not, the rules should be the same for everyone offering phone service in the state - even the VOIP providers.
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johndoe303
join:2003-01-01
Boca Raton, FL
| FiOS Profitable for Verzion?
Is FiOS profitable for Verzion in even the first few years for a customer? It wouldn't matter if they made more money anyhow because FiOS is better anyhow and cheaper per MB then DSL and the others.. Forget POTS, let someone else clean it up.. Onward and upward I say!
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ropeguru
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Bridgeport, WV
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Re: Verizon right about one thing
said by TKJunkMail  :Verizon says it is an unfair and arbitrary standard that aren't [sic] applied to its competitors in the increasingly competitive telecommunications market. And that statement is true. Whether Verizon gets reduced standards or not, the rules should be the same for everyone offering phone service in the state - even the VOIP providers. Not sure how it isn't the same. Anyone applying for LEC status has to follow the same rules. At least that is the case in Virginia.
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ropeguru
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Bridgeport, WV
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| Now you just wait...
If the cry babies don't get their way, they will just threaten to stop FiOS deployment is said states.
Don't you just LOVE monopolies???
On a sad note.. If companies like Cavalier Telephone would actually create a great customer experience, then they would be taking away customers from Verizon at such a rapid rate, that Verizon would actually have to do something. Oh, wait, that's right, Verizon owns most of the infrastructure that CLECs have to use because Verizon makes it so difficult to get into the back pockets of politicians these days for lesser companies to get approvals to build their own infrastructure.
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Titus Pullo
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join:2004-06-26
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| Virginia will bend over
and take it like the good commonwealth that they are. Hell, they're home to good folk like George 'I fly Old Dixie, you macaca' Allen, and John 'get Raytheon on the phone' Warner. Besides, Va taxes the hell out of its citizens now: a house bought in 2000 for 150k is presently worth 300k according to your local county tax assessor. And the idiots will keep that charade going as housing crumbles because they invested that tax income in the same sub-prime scheme as Harry Hedge-fund
I digress ...
Moral? All Verizon has to do is make a  phone call
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wdoa
join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA
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| reply to ropeguru
Re: Now you just wait...
Verizon is playing all sorts of games in Massachusetts. They have wired up for FIOS many of the more wealthy towns around Boston, however now they have announced they are suspending any further rollout of FIOS in Massachusetts until
A) The state gives them a statewide video franchise (they don't want to deal with the local communities)
B) Get assurances that they get to keep tax-exemptions on equipment that was given the telcos in the 1920s when the rollout of telephone service to rural areas was being encouraged. There has recently been legislation introduced that rightfully makes the case that Verizon should not be getting these exemptions as they are outdated and other utility companies are not receiving these tax breaks. |
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N3OGH
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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| reply to Titus Pullo
Re: Virginia will bend over
said by Titus Pullo :Besides, Va taxes the hell out of its citizens now: a house bought in 2000 for 150k is presently worth 300k according to your local county tax assessor. Virginia does tax the snot out of it's citizens. I have relatives down there, and I was amazed at the taxes they pay. That "personal property" tax just blew me away.
Where I'm at in PA, I'm paying close to %19 of my adjusted gross in property taxes alone. Then the Feds get their cut, the State gets their cut, and don't forget about sales tax!
Time for a revolt 
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jc100
join:2002-04-10 | reply to wdoa
Re: Now you just wait...
As much as I don't think they deserve them, are you prepared for the hike in rates when they are removed? Let's face it, the company won't eat the cost, It will be the consumer who "pays up". |
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Subaru
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Greenwich, CT
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Re: Virginia will bend over
hmm I thought CT was bad... |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK
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| Verizon probably will follow AT&T's example....
... They'll threaten to freeze upgrades and broadband deployment unless they are removed from oversight by the State Corporation Commission(s)... Then, to complement the big stick, they'll throw out the carrot... They can lobby the State House with not only some campaign funding but say promise to bring a few hundred jobs to the state (Promise a new call center, for example) or they could offer a "Contribution" to education etc (Always a favorite).
Once the State legislature removes them from PUC oversight, then they will no longer have to worry about performance numbers or fines and will be able to cherry pick and raise rates on various services at will. This is what AT&T has done here, I'd expect Verizon to follow that example.
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
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| reply to Subaru
Re: Virginia will bend over
Well, my adjusted gross isn't a whole lot of money.
But the taxes are still high. A buddy of mine who live around the corner just got re assessed and he's paying over $11,000 a year in property taxes.
Some of the more expensive properties in the area (the McMansions) are upwards of $25,000 a year just for property taxes.
Most (85%) goes to the school district...
Since I have no kids, I'm seriously considering a move to Delaware.
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to ropeguru
Re: Verizon right about one thing
What is the benefit of LEC status? How did Verizon get this rule placed on it in the first place?
I imagine that Verizon agreed to something and then didn't do it, to save money. They should pay the fine and then cancel whatever agreement they made, if they don't like the agreement. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | reply to jc100
Re: Now you just wait...
Someone is already paying the cost through lower tax revenues. This just shifts the burden from taxpayers to Verizon customers. It should make competition more even if they have to pay the same taxes their competitors do. |
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bmn
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join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Verizon right about one thing
said by TKJunkMail :Whether Verizon gets reduced standards or not, the rules should be the same for everyone offering phone service in the state - even the VOIP providers. A statement without a basis in reality... No VoIP provider can ever provide the exact same level of service as an existing ILEC or CLEC using traditional copper as a medium. To believe that it is possible and should be so is to know little about the nature of the beast.
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bmn
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| reply to DaveNJ
Re: Franchise agreements ?
said by DaveNJ :So i guess all those people against franchise agreements did themselves a great service. Now the phone company wants a lower standard. Because it doesnt like you. I'd like to know how this type of behavior differs from extortion...
Gives us the regulatory climate we want or we will give the subscribers in your state shitty service and a piss poor network (As it falls into disrepair)...
Got to love the ethics, specifically the lack thereof, of these companies. 
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ropeguru
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Bridgeport, WV
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1 edit | reply to axus
Re: Verizon right about one thing
said by axus :What is the benefit of LEC status? How did Verizon get this rule placed on it in the first place? I imagine that Verizon agreed to something and then didn't do it, to save money. They should pay the fine and then cancel whatever agreement they made, if they don't like the agreement. These are not agreements between the state, in my case I am discussing Virgnia, and Verizon. They are statutes that are enacted that regulate how the company will do things in order to keep their LEC status.
If you want to read about what is required in Virginia in order to be a LEC, I suggestyou start here:
»leg1.state.va.us/000/reg/TOC20005.HTM#C0427
You may also want to read this in order to better understand what a LEC is:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_exchange_carrier
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major marco
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Stepford, CA
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Re: Virginia will bend over
said by N3OGH :Most (85%) goes to the school district... Somebody has to support the schools because the state certainly doesn't. The only thing PA "invests" in is buggy whip technology...everything for the senior citizens. You don't exist if you aren't retirement age or above in PA. That is one of the primary reasons why I left.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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| reply to Titus Pullo
Don't you mean John "let's surrender a little right now, that'll learn 'em" Warner?
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