justmesqui
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www.meraki.com if you are in the USA
www.fon.com if you are in Europe also good in America
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guhuna
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Brentwood, CA | Hope for the best.
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TKJunkMail
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3 edits |  Users hosting Gateway AP's breaking ISP TOS???
One big problem with this. Those users who are actually hosting Gateways and are not sonic.net DSL users are almost all(AT&T or Verizon ?) breaking their provider's TOS. You are not allowed to open your internet connection to those outside of your home. If this starts to actually grow in usage, look for the ISPs to start dropping the customers providing internet access.
Or have they made sure that only sonic.net dsl users can be gateways?
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DaneJasper
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| said by TKJunkMail  :One big problem with this. Those users who are actually hosting Gateways and are not sonic.net DSL users are almost all(AT&T or Verizon ?) breaking their provider's TOS. You are not allowed to open your internet connection to those outside of your home. If this starts to actually grow in usage, look for the ISPs to start dropping the customers providing internet access.
Or have they made sure that only sonic.net dsl users can be gateways? This is one of the big advantages of working with the ISP on the WiFi. We know the unit is out there, and on what IP, so if/when we see any bad behavior, we know if it's our customer or a WiFi user. This can be a HUGE deal when the US Secret Service or FBI show up.
-Dane |
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KA3SGM
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| said by DaneJasper :said by TKJunkMail :One big problem with this. Those users who are actually hosting Gateways and are not sonic.net DSL users are almost all(AT&T or Verizon ?) breaking their provider's TOS. You are not allowed to open your internet connection to those outside of your home. If this starts to actually grow in usage, look for the ISPs to start dropping the customers providing internet access.
Or have they made sure that only sonic.net dsl users can be gateways? This is one of the big advantages of working with the ISP on the WiFi. We know the unit is out there, and on what IP, so if/when we see any bad behavior, we know if it's our customer or a WiFi user. This can be a HUGE deal when the US Secret Service or FBI show up. -Dane Good Lord, what about my Dual gateway 8 Node Meraki network I am running???
It covers a good 1/4 to 1/2 mile around my neighborhood.
...but wait, it's set up with WPA Encryption, and only my Laptop and my kids Sony PSP have the WPA key.
My own PERSONAL mini-muni WiFi project.
I don't see how that violates any ISP's TOS as long as I don't resell their service or offer it up for free.
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TKJunkMail
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| said by KA3SGM :]Good Lord, what about my Dual gateway 8 Node Meraki network I am running??? It covers a good 1/4 to 1/2 mile around my neighborhood. ...but wait, it's set up with WPA Encryption, and only my Laptop and my kids Sony PSP have the WPA key. My own PERSONAL mini-muni WiFi project.
I don't see how that violates any ISP's TOS as long as I don't resell their service or offer it up for free. And it doesn't violate any TOS. Your links, that you pay for, and only your family using it. Then no contract terms are violated.
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KA3SGM
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by KA3SGM :]Good Lord, what about my Dual gateway 8 Node Meraki network I am running??? It covers a good 1/4 to 1/2 mile around my neighborhood. ...but wait, it's set up with WPA Encryption, and only my Laptop and my kids Sony PSP have the WPA key. My own PERSONAL mini-muni WiFi project.
I don't see how that violates any ISP's TOS as long as I don't resell their service or offer it up for free. And it doesn't violate any TOS. Your links, that you pay for, and only your family using it. Then no contract terms are violated. The Meraki firmware seems pretty capable of doing some really neat things.
I don't know if it can go this far, but I see a wireless mesh topology world, where your nodes can route your neighbors traffic, and your neighbors nodes route yours, all operating seamlessly, with no loss of security.
Everyone has their own private gateway, and access to it via a much larger muni WiFi platform.
WOW, If John Lennon was alive today, he would probably write a song about it.
Imagine there was no 2.4GHz co-channel interference.....
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rec9140
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said by KA3SGM :
what about my Dual gateway 8 Node Meraki network I am running???
It covers a good 1/4 to 1/2 mile around my neighborhood.
OOooooo...good some one who has some of these and has technical knowledge to post about their operation.
How about some pix's of your sites.
Some posts about your experiences in setup, operation, etc. would be great. Especially from some one who has a RF background.
I've been thinking of putting these up in an area as my own little project, so some input from some one using them would be great.
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KA3SGM
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| Sorry no current pix are available.
Directional antennas between nodes.
Pick the least used channels in your neighborhood.
Low loss Times Microwave Systems LMR-400 or LMR-600 coax for feedlines.
Do more research on RF propagation at 2.4GHz.
You still need to do battle with your own Microwave Oven.
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NJxxxJon
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| Screw this crap on Street Lights....we need CAMERAS to catch crime on street lights. Did FON ever work? I still have the damn router thing. I should sell or mod the hell out of it.
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veloslave
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1 edit | Sonic Rules!
Been with it for a while now... got in early.
Sonic is NOT your average uptight "TOS you till you are blue in the face" ISP... they are a company that is light on its feet and always thinking.
Good product, GREAT service and even some out of the box thinking that is pretty darn rare from an ISP these days.
If ATT were offering a 10Mb connection for the same price as Sonic's 6Mb connection that I currently have, for the same price... there would be NO DEBATE. I would stick with Sonic... companies that really do care are such a rare find in ANY industry.
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unoriginal
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San Diego, CA | reply to NJxxxJon
Re: Users hosting Gateway AP's breaking ISP TOS???
You can install DD-WRT on it. I used my Fon as a repeater for my main WRT54G also running DD-WRT. |
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JoeG4
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| Seems a little lame to me, IMHO. So basically, they offer everyone in SF free internet, and pass the costs on to their paying customers. *rolls eyes*
Hey that's what I'm seeing!  |
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Ih8comcrap
join:2004-12-11
Castro Valley, CA | reply to veloslave
Re: Sonic Rules!
Could not agree more with the kudos to Sonic. One very happy long time customer here. Let's roll this out in Castro Valley Dane  |
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elvey
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I'll be interested to hear how popular this is. There's only a 'feel-good' benefit to the user; they pay $40 and their 'net connection gets a bit slower.
I'm a big Sonic fan, but I'd be surprised if even 1% of Sonic customers go for it.
I signed up for and run a FON node, but with extremely rare exceptions: no one ever uses it, and I don't use others. I had a friend use it at my place the other day only because their old computer couldn't do the WPA encryption of my normal WiFi router.
I can't figure out what the numbers on the network map (»sonic.net/wifi/netinfo/map/) mean. Seems to be the beginning of a mesh network only at Sonic HQ in Santa Rosa.
What do the "9" and "10+" in SF mean??? I click on 'em and nothing happens.
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Glasshouse
@santarosa.edu | I was looking for an answer for that and couldn't find one. My gut believes they are the number of users on that node, but I am still not convinced. So, side with me or my gut it is your choice. |
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elvey
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San Francisco, CA | You're right, I think, assuming sf.meraki.com/overview has the same meaning.
Interesting - they're free if you get 'em direct from meraki... |
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