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Life is simpler when you tell the truth.
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join:2003-10-01
Westlake, OH | Ads suck Ads suck period it is my computer,if I don't want ads on it that is my choice not there's.  | |
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TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
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1 edit | People block out ads in everyday life. Everyday activities:
-flipping channels during commercials
-fast forwarding through the commercials on a VCR
-choosing not to pay attention to ADs on the street
-throwing flyers straight into the recycle bin
-switching radio stations during commercials
-arriving at a movie theatre after the previews/ads
No one ever complained about people doing the above. Now why should ad blocking software be any different? Nonsense.
If advertisers are losing money - then so be it. The world is littered with advertisements everywhere we go, it needs to stop. | |
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LilYoda
Feline with squirel personality disorder
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join:2004-09-02
Mountains
2 edits | Re: People block out ads in everyday life. There are solutions, we are working on them
said by TheMG  :-flipping channels during commercials -fast forwarding through the commercials on a VCR Broadcast flag! Soon you will only be able to decode the TV feed on a receptor that respects the broadcast flag. No mute, no fast forward or pause during commercials.
Our next stop will be an infrared sensor that will pause the TV if you go away to pee. The commercial will resume when you get back. No more commercial skipping with fallacious nature break excuses
said by TheMG :-choosing not to pay attention to ADs on the street It will be your employer's responsiblity to quizz you every morning on the ads you saw on the road. Fail the test 3 times, and you're laid off, and send home, where the ad quizzing will be assigned to your neighborhood watch representative.
You will only be able to apply for a new job once your neighborhood watch rep certifies that you have passed the test for 30 consecutive days.
said by TheMG :-throwing flyers straight into the recycle bin We will introduce auto DNA analysis in trash bins, as well as a RFID chip in flyers. Once a flyer enters the trash, it is moved to a specific compartment, and your DNA is stored for later analysis. Punishment is same as above.
said by TheMG :-switching radio stations during commercials The broadcast flag mentionned above will be applied to car stereos.
said by TheMG :-arriving at a movie theatre after the previews/ads The movie theatre door will automatically lock before the commercial starts. There will be ad displaying screens in bathrooms as well, so that you don't loose any precious ad time while peeing during Steven Seagal's big fight
See, we have thouht of everything. Resistance if futile, prepare to be assimilated
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Quentin
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| Re: People block out ads in everyday life. said by LilYoda :said by TheMG :-switching radio stations during commercials The broadcast flag mentionned above will be applied to car stereos. I rarely listen to the Radio, don't get that many stations where I'm located (other than Country Ugh.) Thus I make my own Mix CD's and never even touch the AM/FM button on the Car Stereo.
They can't regulate listening to a cd that I made myself, and they also can't choose to insert commercials between tracks because of lack of radio broadcast/signals in my area. Guess I'm off the hook.
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LilYoda
Feline with squirel personality disorder
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Mountains
| Re: People block out ads in everyday life. *Sigh*
It only takes 1 phone call from us to car stereo manufacturers to introduce an auto-switch to buffered commercials between tracks of your so called 'mix-tape'
And don't think about keeping that old standard car stereo, new cars will have a HDCP connection to speakers only, and those speakers will only accept a car stereo that conforms to OUR standards. All old cars brought in for service will be retrofitted with HDCP speakers only (at no charge to you, of course). The cost of upgrading your car stereo will be left to you, though. We will provide a $40 coupon to redeem for the purchase of a new standard car stereo.
Resistance is futile, I said! 
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saber11
Check Six
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join:2000-06-09
Clayton, OH
| I don't click web ads anyway I use AD-Muncher and love it.
I don't click on banners, paid search ads, or any other advertising on the internet anyway. If I want to go to a commercial web site I just type in their url.
I have never and will never:
Buy a product from a telemarketer
Buy a product from a door to door salesman
Buy a product from home tv shopping
Buy a product from spam email
Buy a product from a banner ad or popup advertising.
So the whole concept of ad blocking is illegal baffles me, because I am not going to click it anyway, so why should I have to see it in the first place? | |
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join:2005-06-03
Bedford, MA | Re: I don't click web ads anyway If they were legit why would they resort to such obnoxious tactics in the first place. They are scum. | |
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scooterr50
join:2007-08-08
| i block 'em anyway “If ad-blockers become so common that they slice away at publishers' revenues, "I absolutely would expect to see litigation in this area," said John Palfrey, executive director of Harvard Law School's Berkman Center for Internet and Society.” if you would get a real job, you would not be pushing this crap. "John Palfrey" can kiss my white ass when it comes to "ads"! just another person trying to get rich from the internet. | |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | Some site are getting smart go to Yahoo home page and try to click on a video it wont work unless you turn adblock plus off | |
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| TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
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| Re: Some site are getting smart said by odreian615 :go to Yahoo home page and try to click on a video it wont work unless you turn adblock plus off I went to the Yahoo home page and played a video just fine with AdBlock enabled.
If websites start to block users from using the site if they are blocking the ads, all the ad blockers have to do is request the ad images from the server but refuse the data, it would work, and the web server is fooled into thinking the user loaded the ads.
Either way, people are going to find way to block ads, it's inevitable. | |
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Old_Grouch
Don't just sit there silly DO something
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Greenwood, IN
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| Already some conflict with at&tYahoo! pages I have already started having some clash between my ad blocker and a few of the at&t Yahoo! pages that are full of ads.
They try so hard and long to force the ads (you can watch the status bar on IE showing loading ______ with a variety of other info) until eventually the page fails. A quick refresh of the page gets me going since they try to load another set of ads that aren't quite so persistent.
Of course, this hits in the beta version of web mail....maybe the production version will be less persistent. And, maybe we will find that the world really is flat.
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yuutomo
The Wonder Kitter
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join:2001-08-27
Missoula, MT
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|  adblockers = not illegal
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
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League City, TX
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| Picture of how I feel about this This is America | |
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packetscan
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join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs: | baffling so it should be against the law to have my pages load faster minus the ads.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: baffling said by packetscan :so it should be against the law to have my pages load faster minus the ads. Well, YEAH!
Absolutely!
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| PittsPgh
join:2003-08-21
Pittsburgh, PA
| said by packetscan :so it should be against the law to have my pages load faster minus the ads. Seems all the ads that do get through load faster than the actaul web page
BTW: Wasn't there something awhile back about Tivo users and ad skipping??
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Millersburg, OH | Re: baffling See you guys in jail ! | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: baffling said by wvcaver :See you guys in jail ! You blocking them too?
Wassup cellie!
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fatmanskinny
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join:2004-01-04
Wandering
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·Comcast
| Can you imagine the backlash if companies go after this guy? Wow, I am sure millions of people would get behind this guy for making his software.
It would turn into an Us versus Them battle (as if it already isn't). I can see webpages popping up all over the place to help this guy with legal defense fund.
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Ratigun
I like video games
join:2004-07-19
AMD ATI | The following post is sponsored by Coca-Cola. I'm suing everyone that doesn't read my post title!!
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free_speech
@sbcglobal.net
| what is the internet What is the internet? Aren't we forgetting something here?
A cable network - a satellite network - that's different.
But what we have here is the internet. You can publish your website, and people can see it, or people can not see it. It's up to them.
No one can be forced to view your website.
If you choose to have restrictions on your website, they probably need to be clear, and not fine print. The majority of sites don't care about adblockers, so the solution is essentially a list of some sort.
Shout it out -- we don't like adblockers here! Let us know.
That way people can make a list. A list of sites that don't like adblockers. That ought to serve some purpose -- perhaps it can be programmed in to the adblockers themselves, and some dialog box can pop up to inform the user that they are using an adblocker and the site doesn't allow their use. Or something like that.
The internet is not there to guarantee you advertising revenue -- if you can't afford it, there are lots of free web hosts out there 
The internet, as I think a lot of folks see it, is about free speech. It's a public thing. You publish your website, and it's "out there" on the "internet". The internet is not there to guarantee you advertising revenue. It's there to allow you to publish your website in html or xml or whatever other format. TCP/IP. TCP/IP has very little to do with any guarantee of advertising revenue.
In any case, the more this escalates, the more likely that there will be a "list". A list of websites that don't like adblockers.
Who wants to be on that list? So you can choose - an adblocker that prevents you or warns you that it needs to disable itself to visit a website, or no adblocker at all.
The internet is not designed to guarantee websites advertising revenue. I think that freedom is the stronger force, and that these websites will eventually want to reconsider getting blacklisted by adblockers - because they are very popular pieces of software. | |
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Mercurybird
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join:2004-06-24
Hooks, TX
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·CableOne
| So let me get this straight... None of you want to prosecute child porn and its creators and viewers, but yo want to block harmless ads?
I subject all of you to the direct order to spend your lives looking at the one and ignoring the other. I'll let you decide...
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LilYoda
Feline with squirel personality disorder
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Mountains
| Re: So let me get this straight... voilà | |
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DeeplyShrouded
@comcast.net
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dadkins
| said by Mercurybird :None of you want to prosecute child porn and its creators and viewers, but yo want to block harmless ads? I subject all of you to the direct order to spend your lives looking at the one and ignoring the other. I'll let you decide... Child porn is a whole other ball of wax, don't get me started
on this or dadkins will get mad at me again.
This thread is about ads and ad blocking, please don't
muddle the issue.
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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Dallas, TX | May you be plagued by a million WinFixer redirects found
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| TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| said by Mercurybird : but yo want to block harmless ads? You should see some of the computers I've fixed for my friends and family. They got completely FUBARed because someone clicked on some of those "harmless ads." | |
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Iridium
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join:2003-04-02
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| Companies need to realise... that the days of ad supported content are long gone. If your website is good enough, and you have really good content that can't be had elsewhere for free, people will pay for it.
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pog
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join:2004-06-03
Kihei, HI
·Hawaiian Telcom
| A cheesy way to foil ad blockers... Ads usually come from dedicated ad-servers. This has been necessary for several reasons, including client tracking and bandwidth. Obviously, this makes it easy to block those ads.
However, if ads were served by the same machine that served the site's actual content, things become very tricky for advertisers and site owners. Yes, the business model would have to change but that seems preferable (IMO) to using the legal system.
One reason this is not so much an option is the same reason we have outfits like Media Defender out there "fighting" P2P. Few have the necessary foresight to adapt to new circumstances anymore. Oh no, people are "pirating" our music! Let's crucify them. Same thing coming with ad blocking.
Anyway, if ad blocking becomes illegal, the first FF plugin I'll want is a site blocker... perhaps a special user-agent string can be crafted that says "your site blocked from user due to obnoxious ad content"... or "multiple ads detected, visit automatically aborted"
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ncherry
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join:2003-07-13
Monroe Township, NJ
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| Make 'em all pay the hard way <Sarcasm>
If such silliness were to become law I say we follow it to the letter and click like mad on all the adverts (just don't do it on my site). Maybe we have a national advert day. Go to some site you like and click away. The advertisers would go broke and they'd realize the model is also broke.
</Sarcasm>
And yes I have ads on my site to help pay for my site but if I don't make enough to pay for the site I'll pay for it myself. The ads aren't the point of my site there just happens to be a way to get help paying for my site (of course Google is making all the money).
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rob_in_chatt
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join:2004-09-17
Chattanooga, TN | blockers like it was said a few times during this thread...........it is my PC and my bandwidth that i pay for. i choose what i want to see. screw the ads. get a job to pay for what you want. | |
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| TW Exec syas DVR's are illegal too Jamie Kellner is the chairman and CEO of Turner Broadcasting, which encompasses everything from CNN to TNT and is a part of AOL Time Warner. On Monday, an interview with Kellner appeared in CableWorld.
In response to a question on why personal video recorders (PVR's) were bad for the industry, Kellner responded: "Because of the ad skips.... It's theft. Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing the programming."
Full text here: »www.2600.com/news/050102-files/j···lner.txt | |
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Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| Re: TW Exec syas DVR's are illegal too i enter no contracts when i turn on my TV, last i checked i dont get an EULA when i flip on TBS.
i personally think TV ads are going to end up like that movie "The Truman Show" where there are zero adbreaks but you can plainly see the products on the show as placement.
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Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA | I guess it's an implied contract. | |
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I'll just have to wait for a hacker to make a way to bypass the protection. 
