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Comments on news posted 2007-09-24 10:33:40: A new startup named The Pudding is offering users free calls via broadband, if they allow the company's software to "listen" to the conversation and display ads related to what's being discussed. ..

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flycuban

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Really Scary

Thats scary....So lets say Im having phone sex......Umm...Am I gonna get porn? LOL


dadkins
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said by flycuban:

Thats scary....So lets say Im having phone sex......Umm...Am I gonna get porn? LOL
Hey! You might be on to something there...
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FFH
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Sounds like same type technology used by NSA

The technology listens in for keywords in the conversation and then sends out ads. But the same tech has been used for decades by the NSA(and obviously Israeli intelligence) to listen in to international phone calls and then kick out calls for special attention based on words and phrases used in the conversation.
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flycuban

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And so if I use the word penis? Am I gonna get a ad for viagra????


ptrowski
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Thanks but....

No thanks. Not only do I find the company name to be silly, I don't like the idea of this at all.


cabana
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Re: Sounds like same type technology used by NSA

Oh great another tool to help the art of relating to each other spiral further down the toilet. It is bad enough we are distracted constantly on a cellphone - multi tasking our way through life.

I can see some funny scenarios -- your best friend calls and tells you someone has just died - up comes ads for ... coffins, funeral homes...and estate planning?

I dunno -- while I can appreciate the technology - I think the use is one more step into the surreal world of "pimp my communication".


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said by flycuban:

And so if I use the word penis? Am I gonna get a ad for viagra????
Or maybe an ad for Mr Softee soft ice cream trucks.
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Re: Really Scary

said by dadkins:

said by flycuban:

Thats scary....So lets say Im having phone sex......Umm...Am I gonna get porn? LOL
Hey! You might be on to something there...
So what now..."VOIP is made for Porn?!?!"
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jniamehr
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Give these guys some credit

They are doing something very interesting, and a great medium for advertisers to spend their money. The consumer is benefiting as well.


MrMoody
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The proof is in ...

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding!
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?


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Re: Thanks but....

said by ptrowski:

No thanks. Not only do I find the company name to be silly, I don't like the idea of this at all.
Ditto here!!


morbo
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scary

creepy.

might as well send formal invitations for the NSA/AT&T and Israeli intelligence to spy on me full time.

what type of idiots will buy into this?


huntermcdole
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reply to MrMoody

Re: The proof is in ...

yeah, yeah.... All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

ossito16

join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN

Backdoor into public lives

"The company insists they don't keep records of what keywords were triggered during conversation."
Puddmedia may say THEY do not keep records but they did not say it is impossible. Whoever they license to may keep records for spam mail purposes. This may allow govt agencies a backdoor into spying on citizens w/o subpoena. Whoever uses this and gets busted for something based on there conversation is not the issue. It is when someone starts talking about someone else. Imagine a huge insurance company buys a huge part of Vonage to bypass any 3rd part EULA crap. Now they have access to what is goin behind closed doors. Who is sick, family history, etc. This is very bad.

Sniper3142
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Re: Give these guys some credit

Speaking of credit...

What if I'm talking about personal or private information. Do I really want some software application listening in to what is said in hopes of selling me something pertaining to it?

Not only NO, but HELL NO!

I'll pass thank you.

cableman0327

join:2004-10-10
Westminster, MD

1st Clue, To stay away

- "The company's founders, brothers Ariel and Ruben Maislos, both spent time doing intelligence work for the Israeli military."

moonpuppy

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reply to flycuban

Re: Really Scary

OMG, can you imagine the fun with social experimentation that could be had with this?



jhebert121

join:2002-06-03
Traskwood, AR

Their listening anyway

I figure the government is already listening in on every conversation going on right now. So what is the difference between using your paid phone, which the government is listening to anyway, and using a free phone, which the company tells you to your face your phone is being listened too?


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Eavesdropping?

A lot of states (not all) require that the other party be notified is a call is being monitored or recorded... so how does that work if the party you are calling isn't using this service? Are they breaching any laws?

On a side note: Is anyone comfortable with the fact that google and other companies are scanning your emails for contextual advertisements?
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zenafu

join:2007-06-12
Brooklyn, NY

Not by the hairs...

My initial response to this was, "the balls on these guys!" but then an ad popped up for testicular hair removal so I figured I'd just stop thinking about this issue for now.


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reply to huntermcdole

Re: The proof is in ...

said by huntermcdole:

yeah, yeah.... All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
.. we don't need no advertisements! ..


huntermcdole
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So in other words you do need advertisements :P


Scatcatpdx
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Where do we get these clowns

What happen to the day when entrepreneurs created a business to make money by selling a product? The fee content ad generated revenue model is fools gold.


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reply to PhoenixDown

Re: Eavesdropping?

Yes, I'm completely comfortable with it. I was fully aware of what AdSense does when I signed up for my gmail account.

I truly don't see what the problem is. You have to have a certain level of trust that Google/gmail isn't doing something nefarious with your email. If they were "bad guys" and mined their email for identity theft purposes, guess what, that has nothing to do with AdSense. Microsoft Hotmail, Comcast, AT&T, etc could theoretically all be quietly mining your email. In fact, there's a high possibility a similar sort of "scanner" is running on every message you receive to try and identify it as spam or virus content. So what's the difference, really?

Same goes for this new "pudding" phone service. Sounds like it could be a lot of fun seeing what sorts of things trigger certain ads. The software "listening" to the conversation doesn't care if I have a racy or intimate conversation. If the idea of some company listening in on your conversations scares you, well, that's fine but the same fear should apply to any telecom company you choose!

I also totally understand if your stomach churns at the idea of yet another ad scheme. The "privacy" argument against it just isn't a good scapegoat. They're clear about what they're doing upfront. If you think it's creepy the answer is simple, don't use the service!

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commbunch

join:2007-06-25
Cypress, TX

Free Calls

I am going to give this a try. I may not call the credit card company with this service, but it might be fun to call someone with twisted humor talk about all sorts of stuff. Maybe I'll speak of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons (and how Iraq had none of them.) I'll throw in a bit about Osama Bin Ladin and war criminal Bush and see what that flags. I'll probably get ads for toilet bowl cleaner, microwaves and anti-terrorism cream.


The_Dan2

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not too bad

I don't see a huge problem here. They're telling you that your calls will go through their software and it will be matched with advertising. You in turn will be able to make free phone calls. Not a bad deal really. You gotta be an idiot to talk about personal/banking information through that sort of a medium at all.

soccerguy

join:2004-06-28
Seattle, WA
reply to djrobx

Re: Eavesdropping?

I think the gist of his post was that it is against the law to electronically monitor or record a telephone conversation unless both parties on the call consent to it.

It's an interesting question.


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They're clear about what they're doing upfront. If you think it's creepy the answer is simple, don't use the service!

Well thats my point - as a user of the service, you are agreeing to the fact that your communications (be it via email or telephone) are being scanned and monitored for advertising purposes however the person you are speaking with on the phone or communicating with via email have not accepted this.

I think there needs to be a more stringent standard about how personal and private information will be used within companies and how that information will be shared with third parties, including affiliates and subsidiaries.
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reply to Sniper3142

Re: Give these guys some credit

If you're talking about something private or personal, don't use this service. It's that simple.

Ahrenl

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reply to Sniper3142
Of course, that assumes some computer isn't listening already.