supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
 ·Cox VOIP
·Skype
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 ·AT&T Southeast
·magicjack.com
| Vonage
Sprint won and there still is the class action from shareholders. $18 a share to $.93 must be some kind of scam. The court upheld the ruling on two of the the patents sounds like a retrial will just achieve the same thing: more churn for Vonage.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| Yes, Vonage can try and spin it any way they want, but they lost and they owe Verizon money for past infringement even if they now claim they have workarounds going forward.
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA | reply to supergirl
*digs in couch*
Yay! I can own a share of vonage now  |
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
·Brand X Internet
·RoadRunner Cable
·Vonage
| In other patent news...
Today, the SCOTUS agreed to hear a case involving "double dipping" of patents. In other words, is it fair for a patent holder to sue everyone down the line if their patent gets infringed.
Quoting Slashdot:
"This case, officially between LG and Quanta, really concerns the question of how many times patent holders can get a cut of any component found violating a patent. Currently, patent holders will often sue up and down the food chain. So, if you happen to have a patent on a component within a motor that is used in automobile wipers, you could sue the motor maker, the wiper maker and the auto manufacturer -- and get all three to pay, even though the same product is used throughout the supply chain. This case will look at whether or not it makes sense to allow for that type of double, triple or quadruple dipping."
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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·ViaTalk
| Good find -- this opens a big can of worms, for a VOIP company. If they buy soft switches from a company that is later found to be infringing on someone else's patent, is the VOIP company going to be held liable, when all they did was buy some hardware?
That's where the ongoing cash flow is coming from (to pay those royalties) so you can bet that's what the lawyers are going to want to pursue. |
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Jim Gurd
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join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
·AT&T DSL Service
·Comcast
| reply to supergirl
Re: Vonage
Stick a fork in them. They're done.
Vonage has never closed above their IPO price ever. |
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JSRoman
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| Suggestion to Vonage subs.
Jump ship while they still have functional operations. Once they file for bankruptcy which they way things are going could be very soon, you are going to be in a world of hurt porting services.
To Vonage stockholder,my condolences.
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La Luna
Surviving Ashraful
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join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
·Vonage
| Hmm...
...wonder if Vonage will try to take this further up the appeals food chain. There seems to be some serious question as to whether Verizon's "patent" claims are even legitimate:
»Verizon VoIP Patents Legitimate?
As mentioned previously, this (Verizon/Sprint) is nothing more than the telcos trying to squash competition that they don't want to compete with because it would mean slashing their gazillion dollar profit margin to give customers a good service at a great price. I should pay $60 a month after taxes and hidden fees for a barebones, no LD phone line instead of $32.99 for unlimited calling anywhere, including Europe, with rock solid Vonage? I don't think so.
It's pretty sad that suing is Verizon/Sprint's answer to competition instead of coming up with an equitable solution and a delivering a competitive service for the same price.
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onebadmofo
Repost These Nuts In Your Mouth.
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join:2002-03-30
Reading, PA | Hmm...so...
....what does this mean for their customers? We were thinking of going with Vonage but now it doesn't seem like the wisest of decisions.
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La Luna
Surviving Ashraful
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join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
·Vonage
1 edit | reply to JSRoman
Re: Suggestion to Vonage subs.
said by JSRoman  :Jump ship while they still have functional operations. Once they file for bankruptcy which they way things are going could be very soon, you are going to be in a world of hurt porting services. To Vonage stockholder,my condolences. I care about the great service I'm getting for the price, and the fact that I can take my same number anywhere I move to by just plugging in the adapter, with no "porting" BS. Not one other service offers that feature.
If Vonage goes, I'm not bothering with the hassle of "porting", I'll just go with my cable company's VoIP service and get a new number. It doesn't have free, unlimited calling to Europe and I can't take it with me if I move, but it's the easiest thing to do.
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La Luna
Surviving Ashraful
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join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
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| reply to onebadmofo
Re: Hmm...so...
said by onebadmofo :....what does this mean for their customers? We were thinking of going with Vonage but now it doesn't seem like the wisest of decisions. I'd wait a bit and see what happens. As much as I've loved Vonage for the last 3 1/2 years, I wouldn't tell someone to sign up with them right now.
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cfm117
join:2004-02-13
Woodland Hills, CA
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Vonage
"Our initial assessment is that they will all die." |
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dodgetech2
join:2002-01-01
Gouldsboro, PA | Call me stupid, but I'm buying more stock 
Its a bargain right now and there ain't much to lose if it hits the floor... |
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TJ_in_IL
join:2006-06-10
Winthrop Harbor, IL | No kidding!
Some of us lost more than we care to admit with SunRocket.
Why not drop a few bucks on some stock?
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JohnA
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join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA
| No quick bankruptcy
There'll be no quick bankruptcy for Vonage. They have money in the bank, and are not burning it as quickly as in the past. They can survive for some time the way they're operating now.
As far as signing up, there's not much to lose there either. This is not Sunrocket, selling you 2 years of service. Vonage gets paid monthly, so the most that can be at risk is a partial month. |
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KSC519
join:2002-03-14
Chicago, IL
·Lightning Bolt DSL
| reply to onebadmofo
Re: Hmm...so...
Overall, Vonage is a company with a fantastic product. I've been using their service over 4 years now. It works, plain and simple. The patent and lawsuit garbage is evidence that the larger companies know they can't compete, so they sue instead. I, for one, will be buying stock and an additional line. If more people sign up, the company should be fine no matter what happens in the courts. |
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peerimpact
join:2005-11-07
Londonderry, VT | The Skype Alternative
I'm Considering a Skype phone and their Skype Unlimited service if Vonage tanks |
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| reply to La Luna
Re: Suggestion to Vonage subs.
said by La Luna :said by JSRoman :Jump ship while they still have functional operations. Once they file for bankruptcy which they way things are going could be very soon, you are going to be in a world of hurt porting services. To Vonage stockholder,my condolences. I care about the great service I'm getting for the price, and the fact that I can take my same number anywhere I move to by just plugging in the adapter, with no "porting" BS. Not one other service offers that feature.If Vonage goes, I'm not bothering with the hassle of "porting", I'll just go with my cable company's VoIP service and get a new number. It doesn't have free, unlimited calling to Europe and I can't take it with me if I move, but it's the easiest thing to do. Sure there are others. SIPPhone, MyPhoneCompany.com, CallVantage, I can keep going on, but my suggestion is to check out www.voip-info.org for a list of SIP providers. I myself don't care too much for Vonage... Had them 3 years, and their customer service sucks horribly.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | For Vonage, the hits just keep on coming
Guess they stepped on too many toes.
Smackdown Telco style now in effect.
Bye Bye Vonage. Maybe you can kamikaze one of them as you go down in flames. |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| reply to peerimpact
Re: The Skype Alternative
said by peerimpact :I'm Considering a Skype phone and their Skype Unlimited service if Vonage tanks Let us count the days before Skype's VOIP service gets sued out of existence as well. There's alot of waves in the VOIP industry of late.. mysterious FREE click to call services, new celebrity run VOIP work-around services, and free experimental providers such as Icall, Google's Grandcentral too.
If we take a few steps back and look at the big picture, main-stream middle of the road VOIP providers are getting shut out of business either by:
a. lawsuits
b. free providers with various ways of luring consumers away from PAID services
c. forcing increased costs associated with connecting to the PSTN (per minute fees)
d. anti-competitive broadband measures (packet preference) by isp's (who happen to be cable & telco with a vested interest in thwarting 3rd party voip)
The non deep pockets VOIP providers are leaving too much to chance with the anti-competitive workings of cable and telco gatekeepers of the broadband. |
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