dodgetech2
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Gouldsboro, PA | U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
Random number generator? |
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NBC actually has something you want to watch?
Pfft. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
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Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? |
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docshawnc
join:2000-12-14
Blue Bell, PA | NBC Piracy
It sounds like 'ol Jeff Zucker might be spending way too much time with the crack pipe:) |
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join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | reply to BF69
Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
its logical to conclude that if they were losing vast amounts of money to piracy, they would do more then just give out a press release stating that we shouldn't pirate their shows. |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL | reply to docshawnc
Re: NBC Piracy
I'm Not Buying that Crap! (NBC) |
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hmmm
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Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
when people with no money and no plans to buy the material take it, how would you value it? 58 billion? |
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join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL
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said by BF69 :said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? Surely you are not suggesting that pirating costs businesses $58,000,000,000? |
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Hangmn
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Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
said by BF69 :said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. What about the money businesses are costing families? With no congressional oversite on health care..the sub prime mortgage screw ups, which buy the way the middle class will be bailing out and so on. F'k em I screw em every chance I get
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join:2001-10-05
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said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? apparently not quite random, as the number gets higher with every new "study". |
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ccoggle
join:2001-08-06
Salt Lake City, UT
| 58 Billion
I don't know how they are making this number up....
I personally don't watch any of the crap played on NBC. However, if I did I would TiVo it and and fast forward through the commercials.
So really...isn't TiVo the same as piracy? How is TiVo any different than downloading it from the 'net and watching it without the commercials? |
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drdaleemille
join:2000-06-17
Norfolk, VA
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Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
said by BF69 :said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? I have an M.A. in economics and I still need someone to explain to me what economic loss means in this context. Suppose that I pirate TV shows, and because I don't spend my money on cable I am able to make bigger car payments, so I buy a more expensive car. Or I am able to invest more, which gives businesses more capital. Has the national economy lost anything, or is it a wash? NBC may have lost, but does the U.S. lose? |
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the end of the Internet, at least as we know it. IMHO, the salient feature of the Internet is the free and open interchange of information. If and when it becomes just another commercially-approved content provision channel (I know it is getting closer and closer to that, all the time, but there is still quite a bit of open information available), I will just quit. They can keep it. 
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Re: NBC Piracy
Agreed!! sounds like a lot of bull to me,like there losing advertising money because of it.That is where most of their revenue comes from.
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Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···pit.html
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One of the biggest bombshells from the cross-examination was Pariser's admission that the RIAA's legal campaign isn't making the labels any money, and that, furthermore, the industry has no idea of the actual damages it suffers due to file-sharing.
The admission came during questioning over the amount of damages the RIAA is seeking in the case. Toder asked Pariser how much Sony was suing the defendant for, and she replied that the amount was for the jury to decide and that the labels weren't suing for actual damages. As is the case with the other file-sharing lawsuits, the record industry is only seeking the punitive damages available via the Copyright Act, which can range from $750 to $150,000 per song. "What are your actual damages?" asked Toder.
"We haven't stopped to calculate the amount of damages we've suffered due to downloading, but that's not what's at issue here," replied Pariser, who was reminded by Judge Michael Davis to answer the questions actually asked by Toder, not hypotheticals.
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said by Hangmn :Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. F'k em I screw em every chance I get Ah, the philosophy of every criminal that goes thru the criminal justice system. And people wonder why so many people are in prison in the US.
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Re: 58 Billion
I am right there with you, doing the very same thing. I will buy the products I need, no matter the advertising.
But look at what they did to ReplayTV. As I recall, it had an auto-skip feature that filtered out the commercials on the fly. I think they were sued out of business. Wonder what the loss numbers claimed by the networks were then?
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Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
said by drdaleemille :I have an M.A. in economics and I still need someone to explain to me what economic loss means in this context. Suppose that I pirate TV shows, and because I don't spend my money on cable I am able to make bigger car payments, so I buy a more expensive car. Or I am able to invest more, which gives businesses more capital. Has the national economy lost anything, or is it a wash? NBC may have lost, but does the U.S. lose? You are making an assumption that the dollars spent elsewhere go to U.S. businesses and create U.S. jobs and wealth, which clearly isn't the case. Given the U.S. balance of trade, a big piece of your posited alternate spending goes overseas. While the entertainment industry (most hurt by piracy) is still an industry dominated by US companies and workers. So yes, piracy does hurt the U.S.
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA
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said by Hangmn :said by BF69 :said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. What about the money businesses are costing families? With no congressional oversite on health care..the sub prime mortgage screw ups, which buy the way the middle class will be bailing out and so on. F'k em I screw em every chance I get I couldn't agree with you more. |
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