MagMan
Life is simpler when you tell the truth.
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join:2003-10-01
Westlake, OH
 ·AT&T Midwest
·AT&T Midwest
| Smells like Bull
Mays says he'll give us a heads up on a revised statement as soon as it's available. AT&T insisted that the language was crafted primarily to tackle criminal efforts, not to silence customer criticism.
Ya right !!! 
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| lawyers being lawyers
Mays says he'll give us a heads up on a revised statement as soon as it's available. AT&T insisted that the language was crafted primarily to tackle criminal efforts, not to silence customer criticism.
no, it was written by lawyers to be as vague and broadly interpreted as possible so they could kick someone off for doing anything they don't like.
and they got caught. |
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NightHawke
join:2002-02-28
Rockport, TX
| TOS bulloney
I don't care if it was written with the finger of the Almighty, it's still being judgmental and discriminative.
A casual reminder that lawyers are human too, and we ALL screw up once in a while.
Some more often than others...
Second rule of holes: Don't. |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs: |  something positive.
got to keep an eye on those overly ambitious lawyers. |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to NightHawke
Re: TOS bulloney
Revised TOS:
quote:
All AT&T policies are compliant with the revised Patriot Act of 2006. All actions by AT&T are therefore considered state secrets. No judicial actions shall be engaged in that compromise State Secrets. Therefore all patriots will comply with all AT&T policies pursuant and subject to Extraordinary Rendition to countries where re-education training will be offered to first-time offenders.
-- AT&T - Your World Delivered
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gopnick
join:2005-01-07
Benton, AR
·Charter Pipeline
·AT&T DSL Service
| It's hard to complain
It's hard to complain about this. Lawyers the whole world over try to be as vague as possible. The question is whether it would stand up in court. Clearly, the courts have not upheld a company's right to do business with whomever they choose, predominately due to discrimination concerns. For that reason, AT&T's TOS in this case are about as important in court as the part where they say consumers don't have a right to file a class action lawsuit... that would never be upheld in court. |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| I think you have to give the benefit of the doubt
to AT&T on this one.
Certainly with the level of criticism they face here day in and day out..if they were going to cancel someone for that reason, this site would have picked up on that by now.
How all this winds up in the TOS and other disclosures is anyones guess. But undoubtedly it's some lawyers sitting around imagining the worst case scenario about everything and what it really all boils down to is the more they write..the more can be misconstrued as to it's original intent.
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to ronpin
Re: TOS bulloney
said by ronpin  :Revised TOS: quote:
All AT&T policies are compliant with the revised Patriot Act of 2006. All actions by AT&T are therefore considered state secrets. No judicial actions shall be engaged in that compromise State Secrets. Therefore all patriots will comply with all AT&T policies pursuant and subject to Extraordinary Rendition to countries where re-education training will be offered to first-time offenders.
-- AT&T - Your World Delivered To The NSA
Fixed it for you
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | ...Now that wiretapping is beyond legal recourse...
So, the FCC refuses to even question the telcos about warrantless NSA wiretapping -- and AT&T then decides to change their TOS??? Great timing eh?
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to nasadude
Re: lawyers being lawyers
said by nasadude :Mays says he'll give us a heads up on a revised statement as soon as it's available. AT&T insisted that the language was crafted primarily to tackle criminal efforts, not to silence customer criticism.no, it was written by lawyers to be as vague and broadly interpreted as possible so they could kick someone off for doing anything they don't like. and they got caught. I agree... make the terms vague and subject to interpretation, and AT&T can pretty much do what they want. If they make them specific, it will be a 5000 page document.
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | reply to MagMan
Re: Smells like Bull
It makes sense, I think they'll improve their TOS. We'll see, of course! I believe that their financial incentive is to stop criminals and not critics. Their executives are probably more accustomed to criminals than critics, though. |
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gworkman7
join:2005-10-18
Vail, AZ | Let me be the first to say
AT&T is horrendous. I am forced to use their brand for cell to cell reasons at work. Dropped calls, inaudible calls, unreliable 3g (where it exists) and a completely overpriced service make me hate it on a daily basis. |
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MandyBerger
@jillyred.net | Get this story on the front page of Digg!
»digg.com/tech_news/AT_T_had_a_ch···ill_tell |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | reply to en102
Re: lawyers being lawyers
"crafted primarily to tackle criminal efforts" whose?
Here's a thought for AT&T;
If someone is directing criminal activity towards your network why not seek law enforcement assistance to end it? |
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jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
 ·surpasshosting
 ·ViaTalk
| :rolleyes:
said by Karl Bode :but the fact remains that consumer rights continue to be eroded by fuzzy lawyerspeak in service TOS. No, the "fact" doesn't remain. AT&T pointed out that they haven't ever invoked the clause, and you have no evidence that anyone's ever modified their behavior based on the policy.
Nice hyperbole, but I call bullshit. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Invalidate the whole thing
They need to change the law so that these forced agreements are 100% invalidated if any part is illegal. They do that, and you can wave goodbye to all the crap they load into these forced terms. |
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