jsinaiko
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| People Power
The outcry here, along with the many complaints about the censoring of Pearl Jam a few months ago had its effect.
Sometimes the good guys win.
A lot of people posted the point that the original TOS was not designed to get folks cut off for criticizing AT&T, but it was still a slippery slope - our society is on a lot of slippery slopes these days - this was not one of the important ones, but it doesn't hurt that they have changed the TOS to clarify things.
Now, if the feds would do the same thing about domestic spying...
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TKJunkMail
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1 edit |  What a dump truck load of politically correct manure
AT&T respects freedom of expression and believes it is a foundation of our free society to express differing points of view. AT&T will not terminate, disconnect or suspend service because of the views you or we express on public policy matters, political issues or political campaigns. LOL. This pile of manure is just a PR sop for the complainers and has no legal value at all. The rest of that TOS section still lets them terminate anyone they want for just about any reason. How would anyone ever prove why they were terminated?
AT&T may immediately terminate or suspend all or a portion of your Service, any Member ID, electronic mail address, IP address, Universal Resource Locator or domain name used by you, without notice, for conduct that AT&T believes (a) violates the Acceptable Use Policy --
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Noah Vail
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Shell Game
However, AT&T may immediately terminate or suspend all or a portion of your Service, ... for conduct that AT&T believes (a) violates the Acceptable Use Policy; or ... a violation of these TOS, or any applicable policies or guidelines.
So an AT&T user can be kicked off for violating a non-disclosed guideline, instead of a revealed policy.
AT&T comes out of the closet the same way Larry Craig does.
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crippy
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all the companies, not just at%t, say something but do something else, this is how they run...  |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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I agree that the lead sentence in the new TOS is politically correct bullcrap, but the rest of it is very clear and straightforward.
why wasn't it written this way to begin with? either the lawyers weren't given very good direction by upper management as to what the TOS should say, or the original was purposefully written to be as broad and vague as possible to give AT&T maximum leeway to do whatever the hell they want.
you decide: evil corporate behaviour or just an honest mistake? [we're talking AT&T here - what a no-brainer!] |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by nasadude  :why wasn't it written this way to begin with? either the lawyers weren't given very good direction by upper management as to what the TOS should say, or the original was purposefully written to be as broad and vague as possible to give AT&T maximum leeway to do whatever the hell they want. Of course it was written by AT&T lawyers to give maximum flexibility and maximum legal protection to AT&T actions. That is what they pay their lawyers to do. Their lawyers work for AT&T and NOT consumers.
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guyver01
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Does this apply to AT&T Wireless too? Can this be used to cancel your account without early termination fee? |
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icp1
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Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | complainers
Some of you guys would complain if it said "do whatever you want with it and never be disconnected! Heck, don't even pay us anymore!" |
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braynes
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Waterville, ME | Do yhey need a Proofreader ?
"Termination or suspension by AT&T of Service also constitutes termination or suspension (as applicable) of your license to use any Software."
Do you think they mean there software it does not so that.
Bruce |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Could they be anymore vague?
That is the biggest load of BS seen.
I can see one day the government coming in and ruling TOS agreements null and void just because of the massive stupidity written into them.
No wonder people are taking hammers to companies. |
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joe smoe
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the only thing att wants to get rid of is employees. get ready for cable tv service, thats where its going down |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | So...
what is the Acceptable Use Policy ? What are the Terms of Service? Hope they don't include "damaging the reputation of AT&T or its allies". And what if AT&T irrationally believes I violated the AUP? |
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brandon
Some truth included in this post.
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Hurley, MS | reply to braynes
Re: Do yhey need a Proofreader ?
Do you? |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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Re: see? that wasn't so hard
said by TKJunkMail :Of course it was written by AT&T lawyers to give maximum flexibility and maximum legal protection to AT&T actions. .. ergo, AT&T is evil. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by nasadude :said by TKJunkMail :Of course it was written by AT&T lawyers to give maximum flexibility and maximum legal protection to AT&T actions. .. ergo, AT&T is evil. LOL. Great logic there.(/sarcasm)
You can FEEL any way you want about AT&T, but claiming they are evil for hiring lawyers to represent their best interests is ludicrous.
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viperlmw
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said by icp1 :Some of you guys would complain if it said "do whatever you want with it and never be disconnected! Heck, don't even pay us anymore!" I wouldn't! |
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Titus Pullo
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join:2004-06-26 | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: What a dump truck load of politically correct manure
You beat me to it. I thought I was back in time swapping and reviewing essays in English 101. Drivel to the 10th.
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en102
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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AUP = our basic 'fuzzy logic' of what we deem is good for us and you.
Gone from a specific 'We will can you if you say something bad about us or illegal' to 'we will can you if anything you do doesn't agree with what we deem to be "good"'.
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CConverse
join:2006-01-31
Syracuse, NY
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Re: getting rid of
said by joe smoe :
the only thing att wants to get rid of is employees. Yes! Hit the nail on the head. AT&T doesn't want to cut people off from DSL, shoot, they spent a lot of money implementing it, if they disconnect people there goes their revenue stream! Employees, however, are an expense. If they're not laying them off they are replacing them with lower cost ones in India or the Philippines... |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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Re: Shell Game
Whats missing.....
the fact that by agreeing to these terms you allow att to share (sell) your info with affiliated vendors (telemarket CSRs), as well as other relevent agencies (you know who).
Mybe Craig should have used the translation tools on that cool SBC rocket!
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