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Comments on news posted 2007-10-11 11:18:19: Speaking at the Fiber-to-the-Home Conference in Orlando last week, Verizon's vice president of FiOS TV content strategy Terry Denson stated that very few customers are actually asking for 100Mbps service. ..
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join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR | 100Mbps Is a "Pipe Dream" - Pun Intended I am Sure
100Mbps Is a "Pipe Dream" - Pun Intended I am Sure
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benc
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Glen Carbon, IL
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| Of Course Customers Aren't Asking For It Really, why do people need 100Mbps of download speed? I'm still trying to figure this out.
My connection is 1.5Mbps down, and it seems fast enough most of the time. Occasionally, I wish I had faster, but it's not a big deal.
1.5Mbps is fast enough to:
- Download updates in a timely manner.
- Load YouTube videos faster than they play (so I can stream).
- Browse 99% of web pages (that I've encountered, anyway) at fast speeds.
- Load web pages with Flash animations without slowing to a crawl.
1.5Mbps, however, is not fast enough to download a maximum ISO image (700MB) in less than an hour. But, I don't often need to download ISO images, so it's not a big deal.
I'm at the point where I'm more interested in things such as:
- Faster Uploads (I run a server).
- No server restrictions
- Lower Latency
- Better Uptime (What use is any amount of speed if the connection is out?)
Really, after say, 3.0Mbps, do one really need any more download speed?
I can only see that changing if web sites get even more bogged down with data, such as images and animations. | |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY | Re: Of Course Customers Aren't Asking For It Why dont ISp's have Bandwidth On Demand? Get a 100 meg pipe when you need it for per se a DVD download, then revert to a 10meg pipe for regular browsing.
Same for uploads???
Cheers
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benc
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join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL | Re: Of Course Customers Aren't Asking For It They already do, some of them.
Ever heard of a burstable T1 or T3?
However I've never heard of it as being available for a "residential grade" connection. | |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
 ·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Of Course Customers Aren't Asking For It well, this sounds sad, but even in countries like India, BSNL actually has Bandwidth on Demand. Per se, a sub with a 2 meg DSL connection can switch to 4 megs, or whatever speed their line can handle, at a certain cost.
Kinda stinks third-world counries have this, while we don't.
Cheers
a333 | |
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Pashune
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Gautier, MS
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| said by benc  :Really, why do people need 100Mbps of download speed? I'm still trying to figure this out. My connection is 1.5Mbps down, and it seems fast enough most of the time. Occasionally, I wish I had faster, but it's not a big deal. 1.5Mbps is fast enough to: - Download updates in a timely manner. - Load YouTube videos faster than they play (so I can stream). - Browse 99% of web pages (that I've encountered, anyway) at fast speeds. - Load web pages with Flash animations without slowing to a crawl. 1.5Mbps, however, is not fast enough to download a maximum ISO image (700MB) in less than an hour. But, I don't often need to download ISO images, so it's not a big deal. I'm at the point where I'm more interested in things such as: - Faster Uploads (I run a server). - No server restrictions - Lower Latency - Better Uptime (What use is any amount of speed if the connection is out?) Really, after say, 3.0Mbps, do one really need any more download speed? I can only see that changing if web sites get even more bogged down with data, such as images and animations. 6.0 mbps can come quite in handy when you watch HD video online =] | |
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Hereyougo
@charter.com
| Yes. People need more speed. Do what you do and multiply it by 5. Get crap for the iTV, iTunes, Xbox360, 3 computers browsing. VoIP, linux distros... It adds up. Update laptop.... The list could continue. Families are going to use more and more bandwidth. Some of us are just ahead of the curve. | |
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benc
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| Re: Of Course Customers Aren't Asking For It said by Hereyougo :
Yes. People need more speed. Do what you do and multiply it by 5. Get crap for the iTV, iTunes, Xbox360, 3 computers browsing. VoIP, linux distros... It adds up. Update laptop.... The list could continue. Families are going to use more and more bandwidth. Some of us are just ahead of the curve.
iTV - What's that?
iTunes (and similar) - You don't need really fast speeds. If 1.5Mbps can handle YouTube "on the fly" (no waiting to load the video), it can handle audio.
XBox360 (and other game consoles) - Does this really need a lot of bandwidth? I've heard gaming doesn't need a lot, and latency is more important. Thus, dial-up is better than satellite for gaming.
Multiple PCs - Okay, you (sort of) got me there. I'm a single man living by himself. Although, I have a server in addition to my main PC, and may even add another server at some point. This is the big thing that might make me get a faster connection, though it'd be for uploads.
VOIP - I don't use VOIP. It requires a connection that's reliable enough. To get POTS reliability with VOIP I'd need a T1 or something with an awesome SLA. Plus POTS doesn't need a UPS to work despite a power outage. Combine that with having to mess with QoS, ATAs, and VLANs and suddenly it's just a huge hassle. Thus, POTS is better than VOIP most of the time.
Linux Distros - How often do you download those? Also is it not possible to download just what you need? With Debian, you can download an installer ISO, which installs a minimal Debian system, and you can use "apt-get" to get just what you need. I think for Gentoo it's "emerge," but I'm unsure (never used Gentoo). Anyway Joe Blow doesn't use Linux. He's either never heard of it, or he has but has never used it and never will use it.
OS Updating/New Installs - How often does that take place? I admit, it can be annoying if say, you install XP SP1 on a new PC and need to install all the updates since then. Though you can download the SP2 EXE file and keep it for later if it's such a bother.
Doing All Downloading At Once - Oh my, I hope that doesn't happen often. If so, I feel sorry for you. Anyone who does that must be seriously pressed for time.
Anyway, maybe I'm just cheap. I got the 1.5Mbps since the 3.0Mbps would have cost $37/mo. more, and I didn't think I'd want the faster speed often enough to pay the extra cash every month. | |
| majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
| hmm How is 100 /100 a pipe dream cablevision was testing 50/50 and the narad stuff they were testing was capable of 100/100.
The only thing that stopped them was the price and being so close to docsis 3 (cablevision runs an uncapped download docsis 2 network on boost)
There is no money in 100/100 thats the only reason. Both verizon and cablevision can provide those speeds in the US but right now there is no money in it. | |
| massysett
join:2006-01-04
Silver Spring, MD | 100 megabits down, 2 megabits up I can't wait! | |
| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| map this! start out at 1mbits in the deep south of Texas or Louisiana..
then push north east and north west with northern California, Washington, New York Metro getting 100megabits.
problem solved.
Reality; rural areas get screwed... suburban & urban areas get preference.
Unless your under a single carrier monopoly (aka AT&T, Comcast, etc) then, your relabeled rural (profit motive) customers who get marginalized service at high prices, good luck if you think fiber or docsis 3.0 will be available in you or your children's lifetime. | |
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getterdone
@paonia.com
| 100 Mbps Pipe Dream? Seems to be common in Utah
»www.dynamiccity.com/projects/current.php
I vote for getting telcos & cable cos. out of the outside plant install business. Install the fiber on the public's nickel and lease/bid everything back to competent operators. It's the only way anything good is going to be accomplished. | |
| | Desp303
join:2005-04-13
Madison, WI
| Re: 100 Mbps Pipe Dream? Lets take the Verizon VP's statement in context. FIOS is not widely rolled out by any phone company currently. Where it is rolled out it's generally in higher income, new subdivisions where people can roll the cost of the install of the ONT(Optical Network Terminal)into their mortgage payment, which of course value adds to their home equity. It's usually $2000-3000. FIOS is also being installed in high population density areas as an overlay to copper, but again usually the target market is generally more well to do suburbs.
Now, how many people out there think that suburbia has a friggin clue about the internets let alone are wanting 100mps internet vs their newly acquired 15-30mbps connection? Yah...of course no one is asking for it. If you installed fiber in a high college student density area you'd have a lot more requests for faster speeds. Same thing with apartment buildings with a more young professionals renter that don't have the money for a house yet.
Is there a need for 100mps internet? Yes their will be when the fiber infrastructure is more widespread. Remember that the other side of consumerism is business sales of goods and services. When people have 100mbps connections, lets say Netflix doesn't have to send you a DVD anymore. You can just d/l the movie and watch it. No wait for delivery and I don't have to leave my house if I normally went to a local Blockbuster. What a great thing that will be. Smart businesses will find ways to utilize new technologies. That's why you build infrastructure in the first place. It's no different than building roads. Some people probably made the argument that highways weren't needed because at no time would everyone own their own car. Kinda silly, no?
Another component to all of this is that while 100mbps internet is doable, the telcos want to bundle voice(VOIP), video, and data together. They'd rather have you paying for three services than just one. Three services takes bandwidth as does one big internet connection. To send one standard def video signal to one receiver it takes about 5mbps. To send one hi-def signal to one receiver it takes about 13mbps. Add in 2mbps of padding and you can see the bandwidth adds up quick just for video. Add in voice, which is the least bandwidth intensive, and then data. Yup, gobs of bandwidth. Telcos have to balance all of the potential needs with their infrastructure. I can tell you that telcos do not have enough bandwidth coming in to support many people having triple play with large data connections. So Verizon and other telcos don't want to offer 100mbps so they will try to play it down until they have recouped several fold their current investment in the fiber builds as the American way of business dictates. AKA the "milk it til it's dry" way of investment in infrastructure.
Anyways, the good news is that we are finally starting to get fiber builds going. We are sorely behind a lot of the modern world in our internet connectivity.
To qualify my statements, I'm a network specialist for a national non-Bell telco. We've got new fiber installs and fiber overlays going up in several of our markets. | |
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IWLoneWolf
join:2005-12-09
Dallas, OR
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2 edits | 100Mbps a pipe dream It might not be such a pipe dream it might be just a matter of time is it a needed for everyone no,some people do not even have a needed for Dial up internet.The fact is a local town's fiber internet service offers speeds at half that already so I believe at some point in time we will see this high of speeds.I also believe Japan has connection speeds that high already never say never!
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