antioch
join:2007-10-06
Pomona, CA | joke
Qwest was the only one with the juevo's to not give into the government. Reports also show that the Bush administration started this program before 911! |
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batterup
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| Huh?
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It will include full immunity for those companies that can demonstrate to a court that they acted pursuant to a legal directive in helping the government with surveillance in the United States.
If the directive were legal there would be no problem. Or is this a "just obeying orders" type of thing? |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Since this is all 'NSA' stuff, you'll never know if it was 'legal' or not. Its a matter of national security, and nobody is allowed to speak on it.
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
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I am now officially a independent.Those things on the hill do not have anyone interest's in mind but there own and there corporate buddy's.AND STILL AMERICANS SLEEP....Would the last real American Please take the flag when you leave.
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Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY
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| Bill of rights = GUIDELINE and not LAW???
They have taken it to a new level, bringing it right into the open and making it legal to violate civil rights. It's not going to stop either, this will be a dangerous precedent.
Imagine 10 years from now when people are arrested and due process circumvented in the name of SAFETY! That is the reasoning isn't it? Snowball effect, I'm telling you. |
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Alpine
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Atlanta, GA
| Big deal...
Who cares? Who did this hurt? Where is the victim here?
You've got everyone yelling and screaming about how their privacy rights were invaded even though it's virtually guaranteed that not a single one of those people was actually monitored.
There's obviously a privacy question here, but if you want to go after someone for it, go talk to the government. I tell you what - if the NSA shows up at my door with a National Security Letter in hand, I'm going to do what they say. If there's fault here, it's the government's.
I love how the Democrats who want the government to run everything at the expense of private business are the ones decrying government interference in everything, including privacy. Seems a bit hypocritical to me...
Adam |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD |  Good
Any time a Democrat party-backed attempt to "help" us "fight" against bad guys fails, it is almost always a good thing for the USA.
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
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Re: Big deal...
Gee, you've never studied history have you. How do you KNOW you weren't caught in their web? How is the us any different than Stalinist Russia? We have the constitution for a REASON. And the 4th REASON is quite simple.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Hmm.. let's see now.. Did they have probable cause to listen to your private conversation? Did they GET A WARRANT?
Today, you may not be affected, but what if the other states decide that everyone from GA is a potential 'terrist'. Now, you are a 'person of interest' to all the other states. Now, everything you do, everything you say, CAN and WILL be used against you in a court of law.
The right to be FREE of government spying is one of our FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS. Our rights have been violated, not only by the megacorps, but also by our elected officials. The only solution is to throw the lot of them out, bankrupt the megacorps, and start anew. Until we do that, we will all be sugject to the whims of not only our facist sieg leader, but WHOMEVER we put in power.
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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Re: Huh?
of course it is completely illegal. hence, AT&T and Verizon's intense lobbying to pass this bill. |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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Re: Bill of rights = GUIDELINE and not LAW???
Saved lives is a powerful incentive to keep them listening.
Since ma bell had the govt grandfathered in since the first copper was laid, they cant hardly prosecute them for obeying govt orders can they?
Bush program is just a continuation/upgrade that they needed to be able to watch the ever growing number of communications, that they cant keep up with.
Even if Qwest didnt cave to them, thier data still went through the main U.S trunks.
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roc5955
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Rosendale, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
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 BASS TURDS!!!
What happened to the laws in this country?
Now it seems that whatever Bushco, Inc. wants, Buchco, Inc. gets!
I hope Pelosi loses her seat. She's a coward, and a worm!
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Re: Big deal...
said by Alpine  :Who cares? Who did this hurt? Where is the victim here? I agree.
Why would anyone be surprised by this. The Dems know as well as anyone that if/when they get in the White House they will have to monitor the phones the same as the Bush admin did(and every single admin before that since the telephone system existed). They can't piss off the telephone companies. In an emergency they will need their cooperation. So after all the political posturing for the mindless masses, they will give the telcos what they want.
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Foxbat121
join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA | reply to Alpine
Naive
All governments, by nature, are not trust worthy and they only protect governments' own interest, not yours. That's why we have constitution to protect us, private citizens, from our government. |
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jbgroup1
Dolemite
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2 edits | Hold a moment
Sorry, read wrong.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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Re: Big deal...
said by karlmarx :How is the us any different than Stalinist Russia? Why would you think this is a bad thing?
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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Re: joke
Wow..first post and it's Bushes fault...
This is a good thing. Now companies won't feel like they need an entire legal staff to defend themselves when assisting our government in a time of war.
Do you remember all the news reports at how inept our intelligence services were?
Well steps were taken, and you don't like it...well too bad. Bravo!
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Ignite
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UK
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How the hell can you guys sing 'For the land of the free and the home of the brave' with a straight face?  |
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Ignite
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Re: joke
said by S_engineer :Now companies won't feel like they need an entire legal staff to defend themselves when assisting our government in a time of war. I must have missed the declaration of war, how ignorant of me  |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Sematics..,.you be one of the ones arguing over words and I'll be one the ones assisting anyway possible.
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