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This is a good thing. Now companies won't feel like they need an entire legal staff to defend themselves when assisting our government in a time of war.
Do you remember all the news reports at how inept our intelligence services were?
Well steps were taken, and you don't like it...well too bad. Bravo!
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For all of the people that are now going to reply ask yourself this...
Why isn't anybody bitching about the fact the New York Times printed classified information?
This is acceptable to you?
Or did they get immunity?
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UK | Re: joke said by S_engineer:I understand the declaration process, the war powers act, the fisa laws, and more importantly, executive authority. I really don't understand the whole point of your 'democracy' when it appears to consider the opinion of one man to be more important than or able to ignore and twist those of hundreds of elected officials.
It's even scarier when you appear to consider this one man's views more important.
Why not just be done with it and have a monarchy if one man can do as they please with no regard for either the written constitution of the country nor the views of the over 500 members of the chambers? | |
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Chicago, IL | I say this with all due respect, but no, you really don't.
said by S_engineer:Why isn't anybody bitching about the fact the New York Times printed classified information? This is acceptable to you? Or did they get immunity? Yes, it is completely acceptable. The government works for ME, Joe Citizen, not the other way around. I need not be afraid of my own god damned employees. And if my employees are going to cheat me, lie to me and deceive me...I reserve the right to fight back and claim what's mine using any tools necessary.
The reporting would not have been necessary had the administration not broken the law and the sacred bond of trust with the governed.
If the thugs in the administration can, for all intents and purposes, get immunity from prosecution and profiteering at a time of great national need...then, surely we can let the press slide for doing its job, no? Are we going to stop pretending altogether that the first amendment still exists and start putting people in jail for opening their mouths?
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| | | | | | | | | Re: joke Ok Joe, tell your employees in our city, in our county and in our state, that they're over burdoning us with the tax increases...let me know what your employees say!
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Chicago, IL | Re: joke I'm actually quite okay with my share of taxes. What I don't like is my taxes going to kill innocent civilians and our own soldiers....when the money could go towards education, peace, health care, improving the national infrastructure, environment protection. You know, things that actually benefit me and my future generations, instead of just Halliburton.
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And Peace...you want your taxes to go for peace?
Well if you want peace you must prepare for war!
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Chicago, IL | Re: joke said by S_engineer:Wow talk about the 30 second talking point...halliburton; you forgot blackwater too! And Peace...you want your taxes to go for peace? Well if you want peace you must prepare for war! Yes Blackwater too.
The only people who think war is a requirement for peace are in a business that profits from war or are sheep who can be programmed easily to recite talking points. Which category are you in?
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My category...wolf. If your the sheepherder and your not willing to do what needs to be done, it will be easy picking!
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Chicago, IL | Re: joke Huh?
...was that one of those "known knowns and unknown knowns" type diatribe? | |
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Speaking purely as a sheepherder who is not willing to do what in your opinion needs to be done, and who finds 'what needs to be done' as being cowardly and borne out of fear.
I prefer to contribute to the war in terror by a method that in many cases sadly seems rather difficult... I'm simply not scared. I take the London Underground to work every morning, any morning I could be blown into the afterlife by a Jihadist... then again I could also be hit by a bus crossing the road on my way to the station *shrug* | |
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Spring Valley, CA | Re: joke said by Ignite:said by S_engineer:My category...wolf. If your the sheepherder and your not willing to do what needs to be done, it will be easy picking! Mr S, if you are the wolf should you not be in Iraq or Afghanistan, maybe even Pakistan (you remember Osama Bin Laden, that dude that has been totally forgotten somewhere along the line in the rush for oil and moving money from public to private coffers) taking advantage of the easy pickings? Speaking purely as a sheepherder who is not willing to do what in your opinion needs to be done, and who finds 'what needs to be done' as being cowardly and borne out of fear. I prefer to contribute to the war in terror by a method that in many cases sadly seems rather difficult... I'm simply not scared. I take the London Underground to work every morning, any morning I could be blown into the afterlife by a Jihadist... then again I could also be hit by a bus crossing the road on my way to the station *shrug* right... so you've endeavored to engage in activities that were outlined by bush after 9/11... you remember what they were don't you... go on about your business, go on with your daily lives, everything will be okay, etc. etc... so like a good little lemming you've simply stuffed your hands in your pocket, walk to the tube and resign yourself to the fact that you might end up being a casualty and you call that doing something... hmmm, i wonder were the spine of british men has gone too... maybe it is somewhere downstream on the thames... | |
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2 edits | Re: joke said by Asmodeus:right... so you've endeavored to engage in activities that were outlined by bush after 9/11... you remember what they were don't you... go on about your business, go on with your daily lives, everything will be okay, etc. etc... so like a good little lemming you've simply stuffed your hands in your pocket, walk to the tube and resign yourself to the fact that you might end up being a casualty and you call that doing something... hmmm, i wonder were the spine of british men has gone too... maybe it is somewhere downstream on the thames... Nope, I simply understand that the point of terrorism is to cause fear. By not being afraid, the terrorists have failed.
On the other hand by compromising your own freedoms and in turn disturbing the entire world due to your fear, they win. Indeed by in turn propogating and multiplying the fear they may want to cause you even assist them in their terrorism.
True courage isn't going en masse and bombing the crap out of a country on the other side of the world which is in no way involved in the terrorism, or allowing a Government to stamp on its' own constitution in the name of your safety, true courage is refusing to compromise on the freedoms that you hold dear, refusing to allow your life to be disturbed by the actions of terrorists.
That said it would have been wonderful if certain USA citizens had had this similar attitude to terrorism when they were bankrolling the provisional IRA while they were bombing the UK mainland though.
Anyway you carry on getting more and more insular, eroding your own democracy and liberty in the name of perceived safety though. At some point once the money dries up you might realise that terrorism is a sad fact of life in a world of different nations and opinions, and that to meet it with violence and fear is merely admitting defeat, nothing more.
Me? I'll let the professionals here, the security services, police, those who are paid to ensure our safety and paid to ensure that we can live our lives in peace do their job, and I in return shall carry on living my life, going to work and paying my taxes, part of which should go towards paying their salaries in return for this safety.
Real courage is rising above the danger, I'll leave the acting out of fear to yourself. What you call being a lemming, I call being a decent human being whose moral standards are somewhat higher than those who may seek to pointlessly harm him | |
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In my own words, I know the quote.
I also know the "A good defense is a strong offense"
But I believe a strong defense is also not angering the entire world.
The Bell companies should not have cooperated. The law is the law, the 4th Amendment is still the 4th Amendment, this isn't one of those Amendments we repealed.
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Spring Valley, CA | said by kapil:I'm actually quite okay with my share of taxes. What I don't like is my taxes going to kill innocent civilians and our own soldiers....when the money could go towards education, peace, health care, improving the national infrastructure, environment protection. You know, things that actually benefit me and my future generations, instead of just Halliburton. I wonder if your family during ww2 said the same thing... | |
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Guess where most of your tax dollars for the rest of your miserable life will go?
Thats right you guessed it...
To impose democracy on another nation instead of fixing your problems at home.
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Jacksonville, FL | I'm not over burdoned by taxes. The only folks who seem to complain about it are the folks who have a lot more cars and houses than I do. Those poor poor folks. How dare we have to sacrifice our money via taxes to help support the war effort (like we've done in every other war, except this one).
I'm sorry, but you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. If you take a fraction of what we pay in taxes to fund the war, and put it into other things like say balancing the budget and other services, my goodness, think of the calamity of a balanced budget and funded programs would cause! Oh the humanity! 
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Jacksonville, FL | Re: joke Remember, your companion cube can not speak to you, and in fact, cannot speak at all. If you do hear it advise you to invade a foreign country under fall pretenses, it is best that you do not heed it's advice. It will not stab you either.  | |
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Chicago, IL | Semantics? Following the constitution is now considered semantics? | |
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UK | said by S_engineer:Sematics..,.you be one of the ones arguing over words and I'll be one the ones assisting anyway possible. I presume in that case you are a member of the armed forces and have been on active duty?
Ok, if not surely you have offered to contribute extra monies towards the 'war' effort?
Perhaps you are too old to serve and/or pay taxes so have encouraged friends and family that are able bodied to do their 'patriotic duty'?
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Spring Valley, CA | said by Ignite:said by S_engineer:Now companies won't feel like they need an entire legal staff to defend themselves when assisting our government in a time of war. I must have missed the declaration of war, how ignorant of me sometimes you don't need a declaration of war to go to war... there are many instances in the history of this country were we went to war without declaring war and also not against countries, but individuals as well... so yes, it was ignorant of you to say so, but i've grown accustomed to our friends across the pond to becoming quite smarmy... | |
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Chicago, IL | There are some things in life that are not George Bush's fault. Like the fact that I can no longer get green onions on my Taco Bell food. But this, sir, is sure as hell Mr. Bush's fault! Subverting democracy and spying on its own citizens.
If we didn't do it during the second world war, we surely could have gotten away without spying on our fellow citizens during this manufactured, for-profit sham of a war.
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As for a "Terror War"... ask yourself... when will it be over, and our Constitutional rights restored?
When all terrorists are dead? When there's no more terror attacks anywhere?
So you're saying we should wait for the Second coming, or what?
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It will include full immunity for those companies that can demonstrate to a court that they acted pursuant to a legal directive in helping the government with surveillance in the United States.
If the directive were legal there would be no problem. Or is this a "just obeying orders" type of thing? | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Huh? Since this is all 'NSA' stuff, you'll never know if it was 'legal' or not. Its a matter of national security, and nobody is allowed to speak on it.
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"I will make it legal" | |
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Cleveland, OH | Spinless I am now officially a independent.Those things on the hill do not have anyone interest's in mind but there own and there corporate buddy's.AND STILL AMERICANS SLEEP....Would the last real American Please take the flag when you leave.
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Valencia, CA | Re: Spinless I think that the American flag is now a corporate American flag ... Enron's, Haliburton's, ...
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I'm in my 40's and have recognized this for years.
It's basic human behavior. They generally, are a bunch of lying greedy bastages. Money talks and people are all too willing to listen. Get caught, blame someone else. First, make plans in advance just in case.
I would be astonished if you could find 5 people on capital hill that don't fit the above description. That applies to Democrats and Republicans.
As far as I'm concerned, the American flag is on it's way out the door, the last living WWII vet will take it with him.
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Imagine 10 years from now when people are arrested and due process circumvented in the name of SAFETY! That is the reasoning isn't it? Snowball effect, I'm telling you. | |
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Santa Cruz, CA | Re: Bill of rights = GUIDELINE and not LAW??? Saved lives is a powerful incentive to keep them listening.
Since ma bell had the govt grandfathered in since the first copper was laid, they cant hardly prosecute them for obeying govt orders can they?
Bush program is just a continuation/upgrade that they needed to be able to watch the ever growing number of communications, that they cant keep up with.
Even if Qwest didnt cave to them, thier data still went through the main U.S trunks.
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Atlanta, GA | Big deal... Who cares? Who did this hurt? Where is the victim here?
You've got everyone yelling and screaming about how their privacy rights were invaded even though it's virtually guaranteed that not a single one of those people was actually monitored.
There's obviously a privacy question here, but if you want to go after someone for it, go talk to the government. I tell you what - if the NSA shows up at my door with a National Security Letter in hand, I'm going to do what they say. If there's fault here, it's the government's.
I love how the Democrats who want the government to run everything at the expense of private business are the ones decrying government interference in everything, including privacy. Seems a bit hypocritical to me...
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1 edit | Star Spangled Banner How the hell can you guys sing 'For the land of the free and the home of the brave' with a straight face? | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: Star Spangled Banner I hear ya' ...but for what it's worth, you guys aren't far behind.
At least we jumped into a misguided war because our own King wanted to...you followed us in because????
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UK | Re: Star Spangled Banner said by kapil:I hear ya' ...but for what it's worth, you guys aren't far behind. I quite agree, but comfort myself with thoughts of impending emmigration.
At least we jumped into a misguided war because our own King wanted to...you followed us in because???? You King had certain parts of his anatomy in certain parts of our then King's anatomy. Fortunately our newer King doesn't play those games though he's worse in some ways 
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kudos:1 | It's not a "done deal" yet... This is a draft of the Senate's draft bill; there's still the issue of what the House will do.
From the WP article:
Democrats warned yesterday that the Senate intelligence panel's consensus bill must gain the approval of the Senate Judiciary Committee, whose chairman and ranking Republican have said, like their House counterparts, that they are wary of granting immunity to telecommunications companies.
In June, the Judiciary Committee subpoenaed the documents underlying the warrantless surveillance program, and Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) and ranking Republican Arlen Specter (Pa.) said they wanted to see those documents before endorsing any immunity clause. "I'm not going to buy a pig in a poke and commit to retroactive immunity when I don't know what went on" in the past, Specter said Tuesday on CNN's "Situation Room." "I agree with Arlen," Leahy said on the program. - Dan
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kudos:1 | It's not a free pass... They still have to show some proof in a court of law.
It will include full immunity for those companies that can demonstrate to a court that they acted pursuant to a legal directive in helping the government with surveillance in the United States.
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kudos:1 | Does Third Cog Supreme Court Have a Say?
Should be challenged in Supreme Court and struck down as unconstitutional.
Retroactive to when? All time? Or just 2001?
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Beverly Hills, CA | Expected So the Democrats, the Republicans, find no fault with other than some corporation might lose some money over not protecting your rights.
Go figure. It OK to sell out customers and citizens, just don't lose money over it.
Nice going elected officials!
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In any case, how is this different than what Stalin did?
If you're serious about this question, you have some history to read before there can be an intelligent discussion.
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Beverly Hills, CA | Re: Expected Not a hyperbole in the sense of a populace being led to believe and trust a benevolent dictator will do what is necessary for their protection without having any oversight into the dealings, methods and practices of the protectors.
The point is that there seems to be an extremely powerful groups or groups of people and companies that are taking all sorts of our rights and slicing and dicing the constitution to suit their needs.
The only thing we have left to hope for is their word that is is in order to provide us with safety.
Seems our rights are suppressed in exchange for a distant mirage of safety. so therefore, in respect to a small group taking over the reigns of power promising protection of the masses from a undefined enemy, not that far off.
Still no gulags, though. Point taken. But in the sense of no oversight, we are rapidly approaching that stage. | |
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Dodd, Christopher J.- (D - CT) Class III
448 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2823
Web Form: »dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/3130
Everyone should send him messages of support. He's going to catch hell from Bush for doing this, and he will need to know that people are backing him on this. | |
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| | | | Re: On Hold Thank for the information. I just sent the senator my opinion on his decision to try to uphold the law of the land above all interest. | |
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| Doesn't sound good It says they made a deal, what did they receive as part of the deal? I don't plan on joining in a class action lawsuit but I think they should not be above the law. The damage is already done, it's more important that this be prevented in the future than punished in the present... if the deal helps prevent this in the future I can accept it. I'm surprised they would take Bush at his word, though. | |
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 sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
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1 edit | Back Slaps for Martin!
"...and we wuv congress too!" |
So if this wholesale data-mining on customer data is such an effective tool in fighting terror, how did that whole 9/11 thing go down? It's looking more and more like this was in effect pre-9/11. Or are the backwater terrists that much smarter than our NSA/CIA/FBI?
One can imagine that if there's immunity, then there's not going to be any lawsuits, which means little bits of info about when the program actually started and what the scope was will never see the light of day.
All I can say about the Dems is, that sure ain't brass dangling between your legs. More like shrivled prunes.
edit: No Martin pic on this thread, had to add one. | |
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