Dan
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 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
1 edit | Kick in the boules.
Rogers has decided to offer less to paying customers, and infact charge them more? WTF LESS FOR MORE? Rogers, apparently thinks they are the only high speed provider.
Already torrents are shaped, now they are lowering the cap. What's next? Realigning speeds to 1.5 mbps to reflect "outstanding customer service"? Man, one step forward two steps back.
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| $5 per gigabyte?
How much are Rogers paying for that gigabyte? If you download at 5Mbps it takes half an hour for that gigabyte. Half an hour is 1/1500 of the time in a month. They're suggesting the incremental cost of 5Mbps for the month is $7500. Yet I see ads on google of $3700/month for 155Mbit. Even at an overhead rate of 100%, and not counting the discount a large telecom gets, they are overcharging by 31 times. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| reply to Dan
Re: Kick in the boules.
This is like a spastic race to be the most hated provider in North America...will it be Comcrap, will it be the Death Star...will it be Rogers....tune in next week to see how many people Verizon ticks off!
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Jodokast96
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by S_engineer  :....tune in next week to see how many people Verizon ticks off! That would be every single person that calls in for support. |
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
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Re: $5 per gigabyte?
When I had Time-Warner Roadrunner before I moved in 2002, they were quoting stockholders a bandwidth cost of 5 US cents per gig (a nickel). That likely didn't include their infrastructure and maintenance costs, just the bandwidth.
I'd have to think Rogers must be able to get something near those costs now, especially since wholesale bandwidth costs have fallen in NA since 2002. |
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | reply to axus
just another thing to compare it to:
you can get colocation with 1000gb monthly transfer on 100mbps port for $50/mo. thats 5 cents per gig as well. this proves though that regular average joe datacenter bandwidth really is that cheap. |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN | reply to axus
Since when have overage charges ever reflected the cost to provide the service? Cell phone minutes? Movie rentals? |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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·Videotron
·Look Communications
| reply to Dan
Re: Kick in the boules.
AHHAHAHA, Robbers is pulling a Videotron !
Just 2 months ago, Videotron put a 100GB cap on their 10/1 extreme "unlimited" service even for pple ON A CONTRACT. Pple could break their contracts withought any penalty due to this. I know i did.
Looks like Robbers are just following their cable buddies in Quebec. Aren't they cute : cable monopolies raping/robbing their users ?
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| said by adisor19 :Looks like Robbers are just following their cable buddies in Quebec. Aren't they cute : cable monopolies raping/robbing their users ? Cable companies protecting their networks from P2P users who abuse the network non-stop and raise everyone elses costs.
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to Dan
said by Dan :Rogers has decided to offer less to paying customers, and infact charge them more? WTF LESS FOR MORE? Rogers, apparently thinks they are the only high speed provider. Meh, Cogeco did the exact same thing just recently. They turned the caps hard with no option for overages - basically, they just cut you off at 75GB - and then they jacked up the rate for service by $5-$10/month. Pretty ballsy if you ask me.
said by Dan :What's next? Realigning speeds to 1.5 mbps to reflect "outstanding customer service"? Man, one step forward two steps back. Hahaha, isn't that exactly what they did back in 2003? From 3Mbit/s to 1.5Mbit/s overnight? I know the people in the GTA who were Shaw territory prior to Rogers' buyout were pretty pissed with that, they dropped from ~7 to 1.5.
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
 ·voip.ms
·Vitelity VOIP
·Callcentric
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·Embarq
| reply to 53059959
Re: $5 per gigabyte?
said by 53059959 :just another thing to compare it to: you can get colocation with 1000gb monthly transfer on 100mbps port for $50/mo. thats 5 cents per gig as well. this proves though that regular average joe datacenter bandwidth really is that cheap. It is and it isn't. The places offering 1000GB for $50 in colocation are often single homed to a carrier like Cogent or WVFiber, and have networks built on hardware that enterprises are currently dumpstering because it is end of support/useful life. The deceptive thing in that pricing is that there is oversubscription baked into it. If you actually use 1000GB of transfer, the hosting provider loses money on you. The reason this generally isn't a problem is that for every person that uses their full 1000GB (or close to it) there are at least 15-20 other servers that use 50GB or less each month.
On 5 dedicated boxes I rarely move more than 200GB each month; with dynamic sites (php/perl/cgi) I start running thin on CPU and disk IO well before I've reached my max throughput potential.
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Ignite
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join:2004-03-18
UK
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Kick in the boules.
said by TKJunkMail :Cable companies protecting their networks from P2P users who abuse the network non-stop and raise everyone elses costs. Didn't realise that using a particular protocol on a network constitued abuse. Clearly anyone using P2P is abusing, how dare they use the service they pay for. |
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Jovi
join:2000-02-24
Mount Joy, PA
·T-Mobile US
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :said by adisor19 :Looks like Robbers are just following their cable buddies in Quebec. Aren't they cute : cable monopolies raping/robbing their users ? Cable companies protecting their networks from P2P users who abuse the network non-stop and raise everyone elses costs. If one person in your town gets this "superbug" staph virus going around, should they kill the whole town to stop the bug? No. You treat the one that does and educate the others to stop it from spreading. Same should apply with your argument. Find those that are abusing the network and terminate them or cap 'em.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
| said by Jovi :said by TKJunkMail :said by adisor19 :Looks like Robbers are just following their cable buddies in Quebec. Aren't they cute : cable monopolies raping/robbing their users ? Cable companies protecting their networks from P2P users who abuse the network non-stop and raise everyone elses costs. If one person in your town gets this "superbug" staph virus going around, should they kill the whole town to stop the bug? No. You treat the one that does and educate the others to stop it from spreading. Same should apply with your argument. Find those that are abusing the network and terminate them or cap 'em. I agree. Those users should be should be capped or shut off.
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root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
| Gettings worse?
Rogers caps / throttles / shaping have been there all along. It's a media company NOT an ISP.
Translation: they force you to browse [mostly], look at their content [whenever possible], email and download trailers and demos. Spam is their bonus. Their Operation is in burst mode, NOT sustained high speed.
Read their TOS and EUA and translate it to real language.
And, Nowhere in them does it say you can protect yourself [in real time] against intrusions, attacks scans etc. as you should be able to.
BTW: if you do they suspend you or cut you off.
Remember dialup? 56k dwld & 40k upld aprox. Now that's an ISP, they provide at least 2/3 upld of dwld speed. This way you can do both with your friends and business.
Now why hasn't his been translated to Broadband and cable? ,, GREED!
Start demanding proper service from ISP's and you will see them scream or go out of business really quick.
Also the Anti-pirate Media and ISP wars in America have been contributing to more caps.
Too bad because in today's world such caps are degrading the development of our Canada. |
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root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON | Rogers only? hahaha
Sympatico just did similar. Regular service up to 30GB upld & dwnld combined. Anything past that is another 25 bucks up to 100 GB limit. Din't warn customers, just went and did it.
Mind you, it's in bed with Microcrap so it should be expected. |
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| reply to kaila
Re: $5 per gigabyte?
In the residential broadband industry, it costs the ISP roughly $5-$8 to provide service to each user. That's the bottom line cost of providing tech support, truck rolls, modem, email, additional services. The only thing left, which is a variable cost is the bandwidth, and it's not the big monster cost ISP's make it out to be. Like the user above said, bandwidth is at or below 5 cents a gigabyte for many large providers.
So if you pay $40 a month for broadband, at the very least the ISP is making $32 dollars of profit off you. If you then consume 100 gigabytes that month, a cost of about $5 dollars or less to the ISP, instead of making $32 dollars profit, they only make $27 dollars profit. You would have to download about 500-600 gigs or more before you became a non-profitable customer.
I doubt its the bandwidth cost that prompts some ISP's like Comcast to boot users off their network. It's because the last mile wasn't designed to push hundreds of gigabytes of traffic to hundreds of users. So in the case of cable ISP's they would rather kick off the 2 or 3 power users on the node that are constantly saturating the network in order to prevent having 20-30% of the customer base of that node to call up and cancel service because the speeds get too slow. They would rather lose $100 dollars of non profitable business than thousands of dollars of profitable business.
Charging a dollar or more for a gigabyte is just a way for broadband ISP's to rape you silly for the amount of traffic you consume. It's no different from a gas station charging $100 dollars per gallon of gas when the wholesale rate is only a dollar. The only reason for such outrageous charges is only to deter people from using their broadband connections to do anything broadband-like. It's just another measure they can use to ensure people watch their bits and bytes so the ISP will never need to upgrade their network. |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to axus
Yes, very true. They are over charging. But why not if the mass majority don't know any difference. Ignorance is bliss, for the cable company. |
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone
| reply to espaeth
yeah thats true. but can you really argue that single-homed cogent is worse quality bandwidth then shared rogers cable? at least $50 colocation comes with an uptime, packet delivery, and latency gaurentee. rogers does not..
i'm sure rogers uses higher end hardware on their backbone, but at that level of wholesaling the price should naturally go down even further at $ per gigabyte of transfer. |
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geeke19
join:2004-09-11
Lake Cormorant, MS | must be nice to have a big FAP like that.
try having a crappy 17gb FAP every 30 rolling days. Which is not even really 17gb. |
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