binarycode
join:2003-04-30
USA | Countdown...
...until the comcast fanboys wake up and tell us it's our fault.
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
 ·Bresnan Online
| Comcast at it again..
It's my internet. If I pay $$$ for their fastest connection, I better get that speed no matter what I do with it.
Now, if it was uncapped up and down, I could see that happening.
I'm glad I don't have Comcast, and Bresnan has NO plans on pulling this crap.
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Bresnan 15M/1M - My Computer (P4 1.8GHz, 3GB RAM, 80+160GB HDDs, Vista) - Wife's Computer (Duron 2.15GHz, 512MB RAM, 40GB HDD, Vista), Router (P2 450MHz, 224MB RAM, 6.8GB HDD, AT-2560FX, 2x DE504, WMP54G, DGE-500T, and an EtherLink III, FreeBSD 7.0-CURR). |
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yuutomo
The Wonder Kitter
Premium
join:2001-08-27
Missoula, MT
·Bresnan Online
| No, Bresnan will not do that, but they will try to claim your modem as their own, and bill you until you give it to them and refuse to give even government agencies any proof that it is theirs and not yours.
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
·Bresnan Online
1 edit | Hasn't happened here. Of course, I'd prefer to use their Arris instead of an extremely old DOCSIS 1.x modem I have.
I've never had a problem with Bresnan for almost a year, which is the time we've had them. The only problem I have is their stinkin' Pace box, but that will be remedied soon.
..and yes.. I am a Bandwidth Hog.. But I haven't received any complaints about it.
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Bresnan 15M/1M | My Computer (P4 1.8GHz, 3GB RAM, 80+160GB HDDs, Vista) | Wife's Computer (Duron 2.15GHz, 512MB RAM, 40GB HDD, Vista) | Router (P2 450MHz, 224MB RAM, 6.8GB HDD, AT-2560FX, 2x DE504, WMP54G, DGE-500T, and an EtherLink III, FreeBSD 7.0) |
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wombough
join:2001-08-30
Beaufort, SC
 ·Packet8
·Skype
| got to love unlimited
Now a days. Verizon wireless does it and now we are seeing ISP's do it. Unlimited must have a new meaning for them! I love how they say switch to the business option. Well if they are both unlimited whats the difference other then you are paying more for business! |
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yuutomo
The Wonder Kitter
Premium
join:2001-08-27
Missoula, MT
·Bresnan Online
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Re: Comcast at it again..
I have a nice Linksys modem that's docsis 2, and backup motorola I have had for over a year, had to use the motorola and a month after I canceled my service they started claiming I owed them for a modem I rented. Long story short, I never signed for a modedm, the techs didn't leave one, and their office was closed that day of the install, and they can not show proof where I signed for a modem, and all they've been able to show is some screen capture from a progeam, which doesn't even have the right serial number on it. They've stonewalled the city commission office and bs'ed them and I've sent the details off to the consumerist, and will be taking this to the FCC.
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hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
clubs: | Where is my whip...
to flog this dead horse.
Hob |
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HIP2BSQRE
@verizon.net | COMCAST
So what is "excessive use"? Who gets to define the terms? So was the AP reporter who tried to upload the bible an excessive user? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to wombough
Re: got to love unlimited
It's not unlimited and hasn't been advertised as such for quite some time. |
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cyber
@coretel.net
| Comcast P2P blocking
How does Comcast know the P2P traffic they are blocking is illegal downloading activity? They don't.
That means they are also blocking completely legitimate P2P traffic from all Comcast users.
This is censorship and it should be illegal.
Regards,
Cyber, CISSP, CISM |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
1 edit | reply to hobgoblin
Re: Where is my whip...
Agreed. People will twist this to meet their agenda.
•P2P is great technology, but it is a ToS file sharing violation which GREATLY benefits content delivery companies (moving their bandwidth costs to ISPs upstream).
•Illegal vs. legal is a temporary and a poor argument.
•cap vs. "unlimited" - No one advertises unlimited anymore while Karl and other keep pulling out that non-dated scanned piece of paper every now and then to stir this one up. The unlimited argument is BS and tired.
I predict as speeds continue to go up, there will be a change to some sort of metering tiers. All-you-can eat has a key word in it... YOU. With p2p it is all-the INTERNET-can eat and if YOU want to pay for that, YOU should . |
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hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
clubs:
| reply to HIP2BSQRE
Re: COMCAST
said by HIP2BSQRE :
So what is "excessive use"? Who gets to define the terms?
Comcast do as its their network.
Hob
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
4 edits | reply to HIP2BSQRE
Several have quoted it is around 200-300G or sharing 150,000 text versions of the King James bible with your closets friends.
Most ISPs have avoided publishing an exact number for many reasons including marketing concerns, people creating p2p CDN systems that download 199G vs 200G, flexibility to change it without huge uproars, etc. |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home
| reply to cyber
Re: Comcast P2P blocking
Calling it censorship is a bit of rhetoric there.
Censorship is selecting objectionable material out of all material, and banning that bit that you find objectionable.
Comcast is doing this to ALL P2P traffic, they are not selectively banning specific content. If they were, there would probably not be as much uproar. The Sandvine product has no way of knowing what content is being shared, it just sends a RST to any P2P session initiated from anyone outside of Comcast's network.
Also, even if it is censorship, which it's not, Comcast is a private company, and it would not be illegal for them to censor anything. It would be questionable, no doubt. But the 1st amendment of the Constitution applies to the government, not to private companies. |
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Lordicon666
@comcast.net | anyway you call it, it's still horse poo. |
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gpp
join:2001-12-15
Elmhurst, IL
1 edit | is comcast business any better than residential?
>She points out that these customers can choose Comcast’s commercial option if they don’t want to be “managed” in this way.
Fair enough. I'm willing to spend more money on business service, so I had a look at their business AUP. Here are a couple of show stoppers.
Prohibited uses include, but are not limited to, using the Service, Customer-Provided Equipment, Comcast Equipment or any other equipment used in connection with the Service to:
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vii) restrict, inhibit, or otherwise interfere with the ability of any other person, regardless of intent, purpose or knowledge, to use or enjoy the Service, including, without limitation, posting or transmitting any information or software which contains a worm, virus, or other harmful feature, or generating levels of traffic sufficient to impede others' ability to send or retrieve information;
viii) restrict, inhibit, interfere with, or otherwise disrupt or cause a performance degradation, regardless of intent, purpose or knowledge, to the Service or any Comcast (or Comcast supplier) host, server, backbone network, node or service, or otherwise cause a performance degradation to any Comcast (or Comcast supplier) facilities used to deliver the Service;
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Network, Bandwidth, Data Storage and Other Limitations
You must comply with all current bandwidth, data storage, and other limitations on the Service established by Comcast and its suppliers. You must ensure that your activity(including, but not limited to, use made by you or others of the Service (including Web Site Hosting) does not restrict, inhibit, interfere with, or degrade any other user's use of the Service, nor represent (in the sole judgment of Comcast) an overly large burden on the network. In addition, you must ensure that your activities do not restrict, inhibit, interfere with, disrupt, degrade, or impede Comcast's ability to deliver the Service and monitor the Service, backbone, network nodes, and/or other network services.
This is from the business AUP!
I am not able to generate levels of traffic in excess of what I've been provisioned for, yet I would still have to worry about whether comcast's infrastructure can handle the traffic capacity they purport to have sold to me and taken my money for.
I spend most of my time with bittorrent sharing legally available music (eg, see the Live Music Archive at archive.org). I am happy with my current provider, but am always looking for higher capacity. It looks like going with comcast business would be a risky proposition.
When comcast says they are concerned with protecting the integrity of their network, I think they really mean they are concerned with protecting the integrity of their business model. They can get rid of people like me, but there will always be a top 10% of bandwidth users, even when they have only 10 customers left. It seems like their plan is to isolate those users with perjorative terms like 'abuser' and 'bandwidth hog', and eliminate them. I expect to be able to use the bandwidth I've purchased. |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
1 edit | reply to binarycode
Re: Countdown...
You call it fan-boy... I call it
•Corporate-haters vs. corporate-real-world.
•liberal vs. capitalist
•left vs. right
Broadband ISPs are making business decisions to address real business costs. If a very small number of (very vocal) users are upset that they can't share the bandwidth an ISP sold THEM with the general Internet and 3rd party content companies, then so be it. |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: 
| It's good to hear that coming straight from them
"She points out that these customers can choose Comcast’s commercial option if they don’t want to be “managed” in this way."
It has been debated in the Comcast forum whether switching to their commercial package would be a viable alternative for those who want to use a lot of bandwidth (200~300+ Gigs per month) and, it would appear judging by that statement, that is the way for people to go if they fall into that category.
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dka
@comcast.net
 from:
TKJunkMail 
| reply to Simba7
Re: Comcast at it again..
I am not trying to sound rude but the price you pay for your high speed connection is nothing compared to the actual costs to support it. ISP's only make up the difference by having a large customer base. They oversell their bandwidth because they have to simply to pull a profit and stay in business. |
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NJxxxJon
something good. or your mom.
Premium
join:2005-10-22
00000
| Because of youtube.
Its because big horse companies the commiecasts want to make youtube like sites and see them fail 3 years down the line. "WE LOVE VIDEO" ....well fix my basic cable and tell me whats wrong when I call you if you know and love video so much. 
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