Jodokast96
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ | Delaying huh?
So for the sake of speeding up the network they're slowing it down? Yeah, that sounds like the typical Comcast oxymoron. |
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NightHawke
join:2002-02-28
Rockport, TX
| BINGO!
Bull$hit bingo that is... I had to get out my hip waders for this one.
A poster on Slashdot put it rather succinctly when he posted: "I compare it to paying a gym membership, heading towards the treadmill only to be stopped by a trainer and told there is someone on it already. You look, see no one is on it, ask again and are allowed to use it. Sometimes the trainer comes over and tells you that you have to get off for someone else. Every time you get off, no one else gets on. So you have to restart your workout whenever the trainer asks."
He got modded +5 so shut your trap. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
1 edit | so two packets walk up to a club entrance....
both want to go through at the same time, but the packet wearing the Pirate Bay t-shirt isn't allowed in while the other packet is.
that packet has just been blocked. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| said by inteller  :both want to go through at the same time, but the packet wearing the Pirate Bay t-shirt isn't allowed in while the other packet is. that packet has just been blocked. Sounds like good policy to me.
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | PR
LoL PR at its best here folks. lol |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA | Are you KIDDING me?
If you "delay" a packet beyond it's TTL, then it's the same as blocking it, not to mention totally rapes TCP, thus actually making traffic go SLOWER (remember, TCP is VERY easily congested).
Anyway, that's just blatantly wrong. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: so two packets walk up to a club entrance....
Is that why you keep changing your name?  |
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
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I know, don't feed the trolls... but i can't help it
considering the internet is a marketplace, it sounds like it is anticompetitive measure that is blocking smaller outfits to distribute unless they go through the channels of distribution controlled by the incumbents. There is something very unAmerican about that. |
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meskinct
Mad Scientist at Work
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join:2002-01-07
Danbury, CT
clubs:
·Comcast
 ·magicjack.com
| reply to inteller
T-Shirt anyone? |
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wtansill
Ncc1701
join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA | Potatoe/Potahtoe
Either way a spud's a spud, and no matter how CC slices and dices their explanation, the net effect is the same. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
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Re: so two packets walk up to a club entrance....
said by backness :I know, don't feed the trolls... but i can't help it ... not feeding, just responding. might be why the name changed - hard for the BS to take root when someone comes along and cleans it up.
comcast's problem is they don't care about their customers and treat 'em like mushrooms - you know the saying. |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD | It's just another lie
Why would we not consider Comcast's latest "explanation" as just another lie? Their first inclination in all matters of their discovered shenanigans is to lie.
And Comcast wonders why people hate them so much. |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| reply to NightHawke
Re: BINGO!
said by NightHawke :He got modded +5 so shut your trap. Good comparison, but since when do /. mod-ups really mean much of anything anyway.
K. |
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81399672
Premium
join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: so two packets walk up to a club entrance....
said by TKJunkMail :said by inteller :both want to go through at the same time, but the packet wearing the Pirate Bay t-shirt isn't allowed in while the other packet is. that packet has just been blocked. Sounds like good policy to me. is that offical or unoffical statement of comcast? |
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nekote
join:2000-12-16
Hopkinton, MA | reply to Jodokast96
Isn't this going to be fairly easy to circumvent?
Isn't this going to be fairly easy to circumvent?
Using some sort of encrypted tunneling?
Multiple virtual circuits?
Rapid re-connect / switching to alternate virtual circuit? |
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gpp
join:2001-12-15
Elmhurst, IL | too cowardly to enforce their AUP?
File sharing is expressly prohibited through their AUP, but they're only delaying packets instead of blocking them? Sounds like they're too timid to enforce their AUP and the ensuing negative PR that would generate. |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | reply to newview
Re: It's just another lie
B.B..B.but they're the BMW of the internet. The "premium" product.
Just don't try and take that shinny beemer through "Checkpoint Comcast" or the network Stasi will snag you and send your packet to the digital gulag.
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: 
| I'm sorry but....
BBR's persistence in presenting this issue in a negative light is disturbing.
A company does not have to tell all about how they police their network from abuse. But yet, you somehow feel that "honesty" is the best policy in this case because "mom said so".
Well, I doubt that Mom encourages her little darlings to steal and trade copyrighted material.
And folks, raise your hands if you REALLY believe that that isn't what 99.9999% of bit torrent is really all about.
BBR says this.
"So is using hardware to send forged TCP packets with the RST (reset) flag set blocking or delaying? Does it matter? "
Of course it matters. There is a world of difference between blocking someone from doing something..and shaping and managing the way it impacts your company and customers.
I mean if that's not the case, why have lines at movie theaters? Everyone should just be able to jump over the counter and print out their own tickets and let it be a free for all.
The vast majority of people using these bit torrent services are not only breaking the law, but they're also the ones consuming the massive amounts of bandwidth that cause the rest of us problems. But it's important to remember that even given this..comcast is not cutting them off. Not blocking their access. They're managing it to keep the service viable and a good one for the rest of us.
Again, it's rather disturbing to see BBR continually present this issue as Comcast doing something wrong..in favor of the very small percentage of people who abuse this and other networks.
Network neutrality is not the issue here. The issue is flagrant abuse of isp's networks. And their right to control it.
Network neutrality does not have to say Comcast or any isp has to give someone 400 gigs a month of access for 42.95/month.
That is unreasonable..and damaging to the rest of us who want to use the service either modestly or, even heavily for that matter.
That kind of flow of data surpasses anything and everything reasonable. And it's coming from the bit torrent users.
If these people don't want these issues..they should divide up their services among ISP's..or buy their own T1 or more lines to the internet.
That is not what a residential service should be all about.
In closing, I'll say that I really think that BBR should get on the side of what's right here..and stop presenting comcast and others in the negative light you are.
You risk becoming much less as a website I think..something along the lines of a renegade website here to promote pirate bay or something.
I've always viewed BBR as being mainstream..but on the cutting edge of technology. Not out to rip companies for protecting and preserving the rights of we users.
Comcast is not wrong with what they're doing.
Not at all.
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
| and just a quick question,
Do you think a sandvine box is free? If not how much do you think it costs to buy them for a entire network?
My objections to this technology are mostly around the cost of implementation vs. upgrading the network.
If i were management i would shortlist the most congested nodes on the network and see how many we could upgrade for the same money as the sandvine boxes. |
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satellite68
join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: so two packets walk up to a club entrance....
said by TKJunkMail :said by inteller :both want to go through at the same time, but the packet wearing the Pirate Bay t-shirt isn't allowed in while the other packet is. that packet has just been blocked. Sounds like good policy to me. two ways to look at it:
1. so called illegal file sharing sucking up bandwidth gets blocked, freeing up "legal" activities for customers.
2. the "legal" activities of today are tomorrow's "illegal" activities. for example, posting on messageboards. sorry, you've reached your keystroke limit for this billing cycle...you're blocked.
be careful as what you preach as moral today might be immoral tomorrow. |
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