S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Another reason...
for your rates to go up...it's getting to be like the oil companies.
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA | Flow = Circuit Switched?
Wow all I can think about is Flow "routing" sounds an awful lot like the old "curcuit switched" PSTN! |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
 ·Comcast
| "We funded Anagran, because we believe that, with the proliferation of broadband and wireless technologies, there is an increasing demand for TDM/ATM level QoS for voice and video and high throughput TCP” said Dan Brown, Venture Partner at ArrowPath Venture Capital"
these clowns received 8 million dollars from a venture capitalist, of course they're predictions will be dire!
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Ability or willingness?
It seems to me that many areas of the world outside the US, internet services offer dramatically faster tiers than what we see here. If there was some major worldwide crunch then these services would be throttled back and you wouldn't see 100/100 service.
Is the "crunch" due to an inability to afford upgrades or simply because no one wants to pay for it? We're not talking about a natural resource which cannot be reclaimed here, this is all man made stuff.
Perhaps bandwidth isn't limited but it is kinda like the US Treasury - that's OK we'll just print more...and they do.
Also given the fact that so many rural areas are unserved and our various ISPs seem generally unwilling to expand to those areas, one might say they're already seeing this bandwidth shortage. Again, self inflicted.
I would disagree that there is any "looming bandwidth apocalypse." What we're all just going to wake up some day and *poof* no internet? Sure it could happen, but it is more likely due to gear failure than "oops sorry we're fresh out of bandwidth today."
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burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk
join:2000-10-23
Utica, MI | reply to S_engineer
Re: Another reason...
The difference is that I can live without broadband -- oil would be a bit more difficult. 
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs | reply to S_engineer
AUNTIE EM AUNTIE EM
It's a twister it's a twister!! |
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CMoore2004
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Jonesville, MI
| Bandwidth?
So there's a bandwidth shortage, but what's that have to do with faster routing? Do they think this will make the actual pipe bigger?
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joeMI
join:2006-08-15
Mcmillan, MI
| time to rewire America
IMO, the problem stems from the breakup of AT&T in the mid-80's.
The telcos today spend all of their time, money and energy in marketing and the latest get-rich-quick schemes. They need to invest for the long-haul.
What we need is a few billion $ to see if the existing copper wires can be used somehow.
If not, it's time to pick the next pipeline (fiber? coax?) and rewire America. And that's every home, not just the high density areas.
Just my two cents,
Joe
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
 ·voip.ms
·Vitelity VOIP
·Callcentric
·VoiceStick
·ViaTalk
·Comcast
 ·Embarq
| 1999 called, they want their news back.
What the heck is this?
Routing hasn't been process switched from any of the major vendors this decade. Everything on the market today has a separation between the control plane and forwarding plane, with hardware ASICs handling the forwarding at wire speed. Arguing that hardware packet routing will "top out" is like arguing that we'll never make faster CPUs. To date none of the major manufactures have expressed any concerns about scaling existing packet routing technologies to 100GigE and beyond. |
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CMoore2004
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Jonesville, MI | This is kind of what I was trying to say, in a more technical way. |
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cmaenginsb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA
| reply to GlobalMind
Re: Ability or willingness?
Most of the 100/100 service in places like Korea are easy to do. Basically doing that is like creating a big lan, it doesn't mean however that they will get those speeds connecting to a server in the US however, in most cases not even close. The concern about capacity is the "backbone crunch" which is complicated in the US by the decentralized nature of the backbone routing centers. Korea has maybe 1-2 equivilants of a MAE point where we have at least 15 I can think of.
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Belinrahs
This ship is taking me far away
join:2007-09-07
Nashville, MI
clubs:  
 ·Millenicom
 ·HughesNet Satellit..
| reply to joeMI
Re: time to rewire America
It would take The Great Flood to make this happen. Big-name corporations like Comcast aren't willing to lay down the big bucks to make that happen. Of course Verizon is already taking this as far as they can by laying a solid fiber network with strong backbone.
I think the federal government, FCC, and others are making it harder to make this completely happen. We need to look at, for example, South Korea. The government spent money on this, and now the entire country is covered in true broadband that will handle most anything they can throw at it.
What's your opinion?
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000
clubs: | reply to joeMI
it's a nice idea, but you have to know that this will prompt the "goverment can't run anything right! plus too many taxes!" screeming mee mees.
capitalism run amok. |
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utahluge
join:2004-10-14
Draper, UT
·Comcast
| reply to Belinrahs
said by Belinrahs  :It would take The Great Flood to make this happen.... Well, socal should be the first to completely rewire with fiber when they start rebuilding!! |
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viperlmw
Premium
join:2005-01-25 | reply to N3OGH
Re: Another reason...
Best comedy movie EVER! |
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alex4life
Alex4life
Premium
join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC
| What?
Are these people trying to claim that suddenly, one day, the internet will stop working? Thats crap. Its a service. If the volume increases, you increase capacity. Simple. There's no real limit to increasing capacity. If a certain fiber backbone is getting full, just add more fiber. Its simple.
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Phylop
Premium
join:2002-11-17
Reston, VA | FUD?
Isn't this just a bit "FUDdy duddy?" Yes, I did just make that up! |
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica
| reply to GlobalMind
Re: Ability or willingness?
These idiots need to start looking at the internet the same way cities look at vehicle traffic. You can only do so much to stop people from driving to work, such as starting car pool lanes, and increasing public transportation. But the only REAL solution is to make bigger roads. The great thing about the internet is that it doesnt contribute nearly as much to pollution as traffic and Fiber lines are tiny compared to a 6 lane freeway.
NO ONE drives in New York because there is too much traffic, Amirite? |
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Ignite
Premium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK
clubs: | Rubbish
What on earth do they think CEF (Cisco Express Forwarding) does?
Amazingly, it routes the first packet, then using the knowledge acquired from that it fast switches the rest of the flow.
Revolutionary huh?
What a crock... |
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Ignite
Premium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK
clubs: | reply to espaeth
Re: 1999 called, they want their news back.
Exactly, once routing decision on the first packet is made CEF or similar is used to fast switch.
Only constriction is the speed of the switching fabric, which is in the Terabit per second range for carrier class kit now. |
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