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It is good to see that they are admitting they have one and justifying having one. Maybe people will finally realize that bandwidth costs money and has to be paid for. Unlimited isn't financially sustainable. | |
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 | | | Re: 5 GB not a bad cap for wireless They should also let buy more at Max speed as well not force you to 200 Kbps | |
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| | | | Re: 5 GB not a bad cap for wireless said by Joe12345678:They should also let buy more at Max speed as well not force you to 200 Kbps And they can then use the additional income to add more capacity to the cell towers backhaul. | |
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| | |  en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Re: 5 GB not a bad cap for wireless I think they would need more spectrum allocated (big $$). Adding backhaul is per site. Adding spectrum is per MTA/BTA.
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| | | | Go with Sprint unlimited EVDO, they should also be letting you buy just the size of pipe you want when WiMAX is released | |
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|  tc1uscg
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Saint Clair Shores, MI | said by fAcEtIOUs:I only use 5 GB or less per month on two cable connected PCs and I use the internet all the time. So a 5 GB cap for a wireless connection is more than enough. Maybe people will finally realize that bandwidth costs money and has to be paid for. Unlimited isn't financially sustainable. That's incorrect. Not if the bandwidth is already there. They are like Comcast.. They want to control EVERY corner the customer wants to go. What you want to download and run on your phone and where you get it. There are others, such as Sprint, who can/has/does sustain unlimited bandwidth for it's users and have since vision came out onto market. If you think (and VZW) their network can't handle the bandwidth, then it's no wonder it takes so many people to keep it up and running. Proof is in the pudding I like to say. You gauge the network and it's use by percent of blocking (no bandwidth to handle the call(s)). Gotta wonder if VZW has a larger blockage per cell then any other carrier so they feel the need to hold people back.. What I see through the smoke screen is they know their network can't handle the load. Unlike AT&T, Sprint and others. JMO..  | |
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New York, NY | Re: 5 GB not a bad cap for wireless HCT is an employee of Verizon or a similar providor. Check out his posts. 5 GB is bullsh** and you are right about they wanting to control everything. | |
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| | | | | Re: 5 GB not a bad cap for wireless said by rit56:HCT is an employee of Verizon or a similar providor. Check out his posts. 5 GB is bullsh** and you are right about they wanting to control everything. No I am not. You post these nonsense claims because you don't have the ability to debate the issues. I feel sorry for you. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: 5 GB not a bad cap for wireless said by r81984:HCT, The reason they make these claims is because you are either a grandma that uses the internet for email or you work for Verizon. Which one is it? Neither. I don't live in the either/or black/white world you apparently live in.
said by r81984:You have to be stupid to think they can redefine unlimited to 5GB a month. 5GB a day would be sort of OK, but 5GB a month is insane and makes the service pointless. It isn't pointless for the vast majority of users. 5 GB/month will usually satisfy 95% of the users.
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| | | | | |  r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
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| Re: 5 GB not a bad cap for wireless said by fAcEtIOUs:It isn't pointless for the vast majority of users. 5 GB/month will usually satisfy 95% of the users. Well thats your opinion.
In my opinion, it will piss off 95% of the users.
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1 edit | Re: 5 GB not a bad cap for wireless Common fellas, HCT can have his/her opinion. I've been accused of working for Sprint, comcast, and other providers people love to hate, MANY times (because I'm always for the underdog I guess..) but I keep posting anyway.. If HCT works or contracts for any telecom, he can favor whoever he wants. That's what makes these forums so colorful.  | |
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Arcadia, CA | "5 GB/month will usually satisfy 95% of the users."
Logic FIRST. If 95% use less than 5GB, why cap the other 5%?
Most likely that percentage is fictional, HCT. | |
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| | | | I am disabled and started using our local library audio book download service. 1 book = 1 gig or more, with my wife and I both using the download service we are now screwed.
Look at all the flash and other commercial trash they are loading up on commercial sites.....squeeze that penny you bastards. | |
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1 edit | oops. didn't realize we were talking wireless - never mind. | |
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|  PyrionLiquid Metal Nanomorph
join:2001-12-01
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kudos:1 | Or they can just switch to Sprint and actually get "unlimited." | |
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| openbox9
join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: Busted ! There's been a stated cap for a while now. Also 'unlimited' hasn't been used for a while now either. | |
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| |  MuDvAyNePremium
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| Re: Busted ! said by openbox9:There's been a stated cap for a while now. Also 'unlimited' hasn't been used for a while now either. I just signed up with Verizon about a month ago and they still called it the Unlimited Data Plan. | |
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| | adversely impacts our network or service levels It seems to me this becomes an issue of network capacity rather than abuse.
Example: I have a 6000/768 DSL line. I offer to sell 6000/768 wifi service to 3 of my neighbors, based on the theory that none of them will be using it at the same time. Then they all get on at one time, and end up fighting for the same limited bandwidth. Each of them has now "adversely impacted my network or service levels", just by using the bandwidth they were promised. In reality, I shouldn't have offered to sell 3x my maximum bandwidth capacity, making it my fault.
The same is true of internet service. Don't oversell your bandwidth, and you won't have to worry about anyone "adversely impacts our network or service levels"
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| | | Re: adversely impacts our network or service levels why don't they offer a true unlimited package | |
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Waldwick, NJ | said by Camelot One:The same is true of internet service. Don't oversell your bandwidth, and you won't have to worry about anyone "adversely impacts our network or service levels" The only way you get 10-30mb for under $75/mo is overselling bandwidth. If you want dedicated, get a T1 (1.5mb) for a few hundred dollars a month. Otherwise, it's shared, oversold bandwidth.
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| | | | Re: adversely impacts our network or service levels said by GeekNJ:said by Camelot One:The same is true of internet service. Don't oversell your bandwidth, and you won't have to worry about anyone "adversely impacts our network or service levels" The only way you get 10-30mb for under $75/mo is overselling bandwidth. If you want dedicated, get a T1 (1.5mb) for a few hundred dollars a month. Otherwise, it's shared, oversold bandwidth. I agree. But advertise it as such.
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| Re: adversely impacts our network or service levels I think that's there under the ISP's "best effort" clauses. They'll sell you a rated line, but if the node's saturated, you then get the ISP's "best effort" at the maintained speed.
Basically, if you want a line that'll be avaliable 24/7 at the speed you've purchased, you need a business line. Otherwise, you're subject to the TOS they hand out for residential/consumer lines. | |
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| | | | Somewhat off topic, but... Even T1's can be oversold... and I'd go so far as to say that more often than you think, they actually are. This holds especially true for PRI's in my experience. One of the big differences between broadband and SLA'ed circuits is that they're oversold at vastly different ratios though; I know a "certain company" that does T1's at a 1:2 ratio (one unit of WAN resources per two customers), vs. a broadband connection that is oversold at a ratio of 1:25 or more. Everyone oversells -- it's the foundation of the telecommunication industry. It is what it is.
I think a key thing to remember when discussing overselling is that it doesn't necessarily mean that the circuit itself is oversold. Take DSL for example. Even though you are on a dedicated P2P loop, once the circuit terminates at an RT or CO, that facility's backhaul or WAN connection could easily be saturated with traffic if it's serving a dense area and all the users decide to stream video at the same time.
At present, there just isn't any economically feasible way to ensure true 1:1 ratios, whether the bottleneck is in the plant (like cable), or the headend (like telco). Things may be much different once the world is covered with fiber or new breakthroughs are made in radio communications though...
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| | Sprint EVDO Great service. As much as sprint is a pain in the ass when it comes to billing / overbilling, their EVDO service is the ONLY reason I have stayed. It has terrific coverage and is pretty reliable. Not to mention, its unlimited, though I dont do much on it. Still, I like to know I won't be shut off for "exceeding" some arbitrary cap. For this service, Sprint gets an A+. For Customer service and knowledge ability, that's a different issue. | |
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Netcong, NJ | Go ahead and make sport. Verizon is TPC, Verizon knows what you need, Verizon 20/20 @ $65 . | |
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| Re: Go ahead and make sport. said by batterup:Verizon is TPC, Verizon knows what you need, Verizon 20/20 @ $65 . I like my 30/5 service for $55 better. | |
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| Re: Go ahead and make sport. said by aaronwt:said by batterup:Verizon is TPC, Verizon knows what you need, Verizon 20/20 @ $65 . I like my 30/5 service for $55 better. You never saw 30 and you are not sharing the porn equally.
This costs me $50 a month. | |
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Brunswick, ME | any lawyers?? Ok I have a question. Verizon has changed there terms of service, the term i signed up for , my question is
can i break my contract with out penalty? since they
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kudos:1 | speed So now Verizon Wireless will rolling throttle your EVDO rather than terminate you as a customer? I heard they stopped sending the letters, so I guess they bought a Sandvine for their EVDO network to deal with bandwidth users/abusers and now will just lower your speed rather than terminate you. | |
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| | The government needs to fix this The companies who have been lying, even if they correct it now, should be heavily fined and punished for it. At the very least from now on they need to be forced to advertise any cap before a cap should be legally enforceable. And of course any decrease in cap size should also permit a user to break their contract. | |
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1 edit | Re: The government needs to fix this said by insomniac84:The companies who have been lying, even if they correct it now, should be heavily fined and punished for it. The cost of which they'll happily pass on to you, the customer 
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