N3OGH
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Philly burbs | Oh it's here now too..
I'm on Verizon DSL here in the Philly 'burbs and I saw this screen yesterday when I had a case of the "butter fingers"
mmmmmmmmmmm Butter......
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TKJunkMail
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1 edit |  Doesn't alter user's DNS settings
Consumer Affairs says:
In order to redirect the user to the search sites, the user's Domain Name Service (DNS) settings are altered The service does nothing to alter the customer's DNS settings. All it does is modify the way Verizon's DNS servers respond when it finds a URL that won't resolve to an IP address. A case can be made that that isn't the best way to do things. But Consumer Affairs doesn't know what they are talking about. And of course they drag in the magical words "net neutrality" as if somehow using these words give some legitimacy to their complaint even though the concept isn't applicable at all in this case.
The redirection on a mistype is a feature many of Verizon's users would want(see OPENDNS's use of this feature to drive people to using OPENDNS dns servers). But they should make it opt-in instead of opt-out and then advertise it to their customers as a good feature to have.
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gaforces
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Santa Cruz, CA | Bad juju
If they are allowed to do this, whats to stop them from going further?
Dictate the browser, OS, or hardware manufacturer?
Make you stop using popup blocker or other security?
After all, it's for the good of the network :P |
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woody7
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Have Earthlink, and use open dns, no problems 
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swhx7
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Re: Doesn't alter user's DNS settings
said by TKJunkMail  :And of course they drag in the magical words "net neutrality" as if somehow using these words give some legitimacy to their complaint even though the concept isn't applicable at all in this case.
said by article :
It also raises the question of whether or not an Internet provider that automatically redirects a user's searches without telling them will also shape the results they do get, such as filtering their searches to get specific results.
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Although Verizon opposes net neutrality, it has also said repeatedly that it would not block content or favor its own offerings over rivals--although it now appears to be doing just that.
In this case it's blocking the "site not found" results that users would encounter from mistyped URLs on a neutral connection.
said by TKJunkMail :But they should make it opt-in instead of opt-out and then advertise it to their customers as a good feature to have.
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Cyber2lz
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Odessa, FL | What
happens if you don't use V*'s DNS servers??????
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TKJunkMail
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1 edit | said by Cyber2lz :happens if you don't use V*'s DNS servers?????? Then maybe DNS redirection doesn't occur depending on whose DNS servers you use.
Of course redirection is on by default(can be opt-out) at other DNS providers like Opendns( »www.opendns.com/features/overview/ ). So it depends on what DNS servers you point to.
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AnonProxy
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ß | Host file
Can you host file the referred to web page and re-redirect the request?
Like if you know all mistypes go to www.search.verizon.com, if you redirected search.verizon.com to another site, would that work? |
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Jodokast96
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Re: Bad juju
said by gaforces :If they are allowed to do this, whats to stop them from going further? Dictate the browser, OS, or hardware manufacturer? Make you stop using popup blocker or other security? After all, it's for the good of the network :P LOL!!! One has nothing to do with the other. You should really try to get a better understanding of things before making comments like that. Don't like what they do, don't use their DNS servers. They aren't forcing you to do or use anything. Nothing is forcing you to actually pay attention to what appears on the page that opens. It's not like they are hijacking legitimate requests and sending them to other pages. |
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Jodokast96
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Re: Host file
Why go through all of that. Just use different DNS servers. They don't lock you into theirs. |
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Cabal
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| That's not all
I've recently learned that Verizon blocks Microsoft RPC ports on their DSL and FiOS users! This is a serious network neutrality issue and must be addressed. Say "No" to network neutrality violations and a filtered Internet!
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swhx7
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Re: What
Using DNS servers other than the borked ones avoids the problem of falsified results. But it shouldn't be necessary; accurate DNS, according to internet standards, should be a service the ISP provides.
Reportedly at least one ISP started blocking requests to DNS servers other than their own, but fortunately this does not seem to be common or a trend.
Some entities that run DNS servers do not welcome requests from users outside their own organizations, but generally don't prevent it. But choose carefully. I wouldn't mind placing more load on Microsoft's DNS for example, but I might not have as much confidence in the results as with some others. A local university may be a good choice. Better yet, run your own. |
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AnonProxy
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Re: Host file
It's more of a question than a suggestion.
As for why, the converse could be said...why not? I am not assured of faster or "better" DNS service from a "third party"
In fact in some companies (my institution for example) many fo the "alternate" DNS servers are blocked. |
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swhx7
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Re: That's not all
I assume you're being sarcastic. There is no good reason for anyone to be exposing Microsoft networking ports on the internet, unless you're a researcher running a honeypot. It's just a way for malware to get in.
But seriously, on principle I'd rather have unfiltered.
Breaking DNS standards is more significant though. Returning false results is much worse than filtering malicious packets. |
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gaforces
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Santa Cruz, CA | reply to Jodokast96
Re: Bad juju
"Give them an inch, and they take a mile" |
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TheMadAdmin
join:2007-10-24
Matawan, NJ
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1 edit | Not Liking this
this is a business. No ethical thought was put into it weather it was right or wrong.
Yes it is wrong. They have changed the way the internet works at it's base, stealing traffic for their own site.
Also once this step is made they can take the next step and redirect traffic away from sites it doesn't want people getting to.... Smart business choice but ethically bankrupt.
»themadadmin.com/wp/?p=1035 (Post on it.)
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to AnonProxy
Re: Host file
I agree... there's a difference between having to 'opt out' of Verizon's or any other ISP's 'site finder DNS' vs. having to 'opt in'.
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morbo
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Re: Bad juju
said by Jodokast96 :Don't like what they do, don't use their DNS servers. They aren't forcing you to do or use anything. this is my favorite line as it places the blame on technologically ignorant consumers. it makes Verizon look like it actually cares about consumers when it cares more about money. if they really cared about consumers it would be opt-in . |
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Jodokast96
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Re: Host file
Speaking specifically about Verizon, yeah, you will get better service from a third party. What work does isn't really your concern, is it? You are going to use what they want you to anyway.
They do not return false results. They tell you the page can't be found and give you a list of things that may have been what you were looking for. |
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Jodokast96
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Re: Bad juju
Should it be opt-in, sure, why not. But it is not having any effect at all on what you or anybody else does. Hell, 90% of the addresses I mistype anyway has already been taken by 3rd parties doing the same thing. Is it greedy? Absolutely. Unethical? Eh. And they did send notice that they were doing this. Of all of the crap for people to cry about, this isn't one of them. If you don't like it, don't use their servers. Pretty simple. |
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