TKJunkMail
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1 edit |  Ilec enforcing abuse rules against Clecs
Sounds like Bell Sympatico(like a U.S. Ilec) is trying to enforce their abuse rules on the Canadian equivalent of any Clecs using their infrastructure. I'll bet this goes to the courts pretty quickly. |
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YO Q
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BURN THEM! |
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bylo
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Waterloo, ON
1 edit | This is will make a lot of people very happy
My current contract with Sympatico ends in January. At that point I intend to jump ship to TSI. Even if Bell offers to match TSI's $30/month when I utter the magic word "cancel" to Emily, I'll switch on principle. That should make Kevin Crull happy because evidently I'm a "network abuser."
My two-phone contract with Bell Mobility ended this summer. I've since switched to a competitor. That must have made George Cope happy because we were just "low-ARPU customers."
We can't get satellite TV because we don't have line-of-sight to the bird, so all that's left with BCE is barebones POTS. (And by "barebones" I mean pulse dial, no calling features, no long distance.) By the time we find a viable alternative, George Cope will be in the big chair so he'll be happy again because we were merely "low-margin subscribers."
This month and early next year I'll be donating my BCE shares to charity. That will make a lot of people happy.
Early next year, when he gets all those BCE shares for a mere $42.75, Jim Leech will no doubt be happy — assuming, of course, there's anyone left in BCE's customer base to generate the massive cash flows he's going to need to pay back all the debt that he's taken on to do the deal.
Michael Sabia will be happy next year as he yanks the rip cord on his $25M golden parachute. George and Kevin et all will likely also be happy because they'll move up a level on BCE's organization chart.
So in summary, I'd like to take this occasion to publicly thank Michael Sabia for making a very large number of people very happy. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Ilec enforcing abuse rules aaginst Clecs
Well, then again, it is Canada.
With the Canadian dollar being very high against the U.S., pricing on bandwidth should be dropping.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| a solution that's apparently not on the table
they could always add bandwidth to resolve this issue, but that's not in their interests (their interests being monetizing every aspect of the internet).
although a few in this forum continue to point out "the high costs of capacity", a lot of things I read indicate bandwidth is not that costly.
the ILECs and their supporters (traffic shaping h/w companies and big business sycophants) are much more interested in promoting the fallacy of bandwidth scarcity (repeat the lie over and over and over and pretty soon it becomes "true"). this plays into their narrative that they need to "manage" the network, which seems to consist of throttling, blocking or otherwise interfering with traffic and/or applications; and don't forget caps.
it would be very interesting to see a study comparing the cost of adding network management equipment that inspects and interferes with packets versus simply adding more bandwidth capacity.
when the internet2 project looked ahead to what options were available when the existing bandwidth became inadequate, they concluded it was much cheaper and simpler to just add capacity, rather than implementing traffic shaping/monitoring capability. |
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Matt
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| 5000% more?
I like how they used a percentage to make it seem like a larger number.
5000% is only 50 times the normal amount. That's still a significant number, but doesn't 5000% sound so much scarier?
Why don't these providers just say, "You used X amount of transfer which is Y percent higher than our average customer."?
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hopeflicker
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Long Beach, CA
| Wake up ISPs
"There continues to be phenomenal growth of consumer Internet traffic throughout the world"
Right there. They (Bell) said it themselves.
Wake up ISPs.
You need to grow with the internet and not stifle it.
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ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
·RCN CABLE
| Cancel my service, Please.
I wonder if this constant abuse of power will be the end of the internet. Due to companies unwillingness to expand capacity for new services they insist that the best way is to go after the people who use the product they are paying for. I doubt any of the simple internet users are experiencing any problems checking email or shopping on amazon. The average user probably spends very little time online doing anything that actually taxes the system. Unless customers start canceling services with these companies they will continue to walk all over them. Stop accepting these idiotic changes in TOS agreements, stop paying the extra $1 to $2, and stop allowing them to continue to make billions of dollars per quarter not giving you the service you "initially" signed up for. Somehow the word needs to move from these forums of the technically informed to the regular mom 'n' pop blogs. The word needs to become an issue of political debate, let alderman, mayors, & congressman know that you are tired and it must stop.
Just think, should truck drivers be capped on their road usage, I can't get around quickly do to all the trucks on the road, it is unfair to me.
quote from the movie 'Network' - I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. |
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mlerner
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Nepean, ON
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| reply to nasadude
Re: a solution that's apparently not on the table
said by nasadude  :they could always add bandwidth to resolve this issue, but that's not in their interests (their interests being monetizing every aspect of the internet). The trouble is it's not clear whether it's internal or external traffic causing the congestion since the wholesale ISP's are tunnelled through Bell's fiber network to get to the provider. I also do not see why they would not increase traffic since they are technically (though not in my experience) a tier 1 bandwidth provider. |
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mlerner
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Nepean, ON | hardware
BTW, the hardware they use is the sandvine equipment. They were clearly listed as a customer on the site for the past few years. |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
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|  Time to update your reviews everyone !!
Yep, it's that time of year again to update your reviews of Bell Sympatico  Can't wait to see the 1.0 reviews pop up on the front page! 
That should be warning enough to future customers not to go with Hell.
Spread the love,
Adi |
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espaeth
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| reply to hopeflicker
Re: Wake up ISPs
said by hopeflicker :"There continues to be phenomenal growth of consumer Internet traffic throughout the world"Right there. They (Bell) said it themselves. Wake up ISPs. You need to grow with the internet and not stifle it. How do you propose you grow your network to support a specific application traffic type that consumes everything you add, the instant you add it?
How much are you willing to pay for your broadband service? |
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hopeflicker
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Long Beach, CA
| said by espaeth :said by hopeflicker :"There continues to be phenomenal growth of consumer Internet traffic throughout the world"Right there. They (Bell) said it themselves. Wake up ISPs. You need to grow with the internet and not stifle it. How do you propose you grow your network to support a specific application traffic type that consumes everything you add, the instant you add it? How much are you willing to pay for your broadband service? As Bell said, they see an phenomenal growth. This here is a wake up call.
How do they pay for it you ask? well, we see price increases every year, and sometimes even twice a year. So there.
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told yeah
@videotron.ca | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Ilec enforcing abuse rules against Clecs
This was all stated in this article:
»www.p2pnet.net/story/13883 |
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makeitrighteh
@shawcable.net
| Spread the word
The wallet and word of mouth have great power. If more Canadians were to become aware of this they would simply leave for another ISP or maby even stay on dial up. This crap with any ISP in any country needs to stop, I hope it slowly eats away at the industry.. |
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espaeth
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| reply to hopeflicker
Re: Wake up ISPs
said by hopeflicker :As Bell said, they see an phenomenal growth. This here is a wake up call. How do they pay for it you ask? well, we see price increases every year, and sometimes even twice a year. So there. What kind of price increases though? Are they phenomenal price increases?
Price out carrier bandwidth sometime; I think it would be an educational experience for you to see how much it costs ISPs to move bits. |
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hopeflicker
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Long Beach, CA | from what i read and hear, Bandwidth doesnt cost as much as everyone says it does.
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espaeth
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| said by hopeflicker :from what i read and hear, Bandwidth doesnt cost as much as everyone says it does. That's why I said to price it out for yourself rather than relying on people who may or may not have a clue of what they're talking about. There's also 2 components to ISP bandwidth: the cost to procure upstream connectivity from a carrier, and the cost to provide "last mile" services to your subscriber base.
I think if you took the time to do an honest investigation into just the carrier costs alone you would be surprised. |
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money12342
@wightman.ca
| i see
I see... so if i don't pay my internet bill, or get kicked off bell... the sync may stay on my line, and i can use another PPPoE @ $10... and have the sync for free.
That must be the issue, otherwise, bell shouldn't care. They are getting more money (IMO) from having their sub pay them, and pay someone else $10 for their bandwidth. Except now, people get to drop sympatico completely, goto teksavvy directly, and get the dsl line. Bell still gets their cut from teksavvy, but the bandwidth STILL goes through teksavvy, so it has to be more than JUST the p2p hogs.
Either that, or the bell ADSL system that routes the traffic to teksavvy / bell, are being really overloaded, and they must crackdown on the 'hogs'. |
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adisor19
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| said by money12342 :
Either that, or the bell ADSL system that routes the traffic to teksavvy / bell, are being really overloaded, and they must crackdown on the 'hogs'.
That or, Bell just want to get rid of those annoying third party ISPs also known as "competition".
Adi |
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