 | | Ah Yes.... When encryption is used to cloak torrent traffic it tends to be to hide something, and attracts greater attention for that reason. Ah yes... The old "If you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't be encrypting" argument. Seems like that argument was pretty much destroyed back in the early PGP days. Ask the person trying to make that argument if they send all their personal correspondence on postcards or with the envelope unsealed... | |
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Smithfield, NC | Re: Ah Yes.... Yes, this logic is based on the wrong assumption that law enforcement are the only ones we need to conceal anything from. | |
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Encrypting traffic is like sending a letter instead of a postcard. I don't know about you, but I would never send a bank deposit on a postcard, I would put it in an envelope. All YOU know, is that I'm sending something, not WHAT I am sending? Why? Because it's none of your f'ing business WHAT I am sending. If I want to subscribe to 'barely 18', then I get it in a brown wrapper. No-one knows what's in the brown wrapper except ME and the person who sent it to me. Why should internet traffic be anything different? When companies use something like sandvine, they are effectively telling the post office to stamp 'return to sender', when I am expecting something in the mail. If the USPS started doing that crap, there would be holy hell to pay. Why is it any different when an ISP does the same thing? It's NOT.
Bottom line, it's no-ones business WHAT I am using the internet for.
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Obviously when they start taking measures to limit P2P and encryptions is increased as a result it is a pretty good bet that it is the P2P people that have begun encrypting to "hide" their data and get around the limits. | |
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| | If most Bittorent use was legit; no ams race needed But we all know that MOST Bittorent traffic isn't legit. Hence the arms race. So once again the criminals amongst us make it bad for everyone. | |
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Lakewood, OH | Re: If most Bittorent use was legit; no ams race needed HCT you are assuming. Give me some facts. Torrents are used for a lot more than just your movie to be release tomorrow. You ever play a game with massive updates applied by torrent? Are you so happy with the majority and never download a linux iso and maybe try many of them? Have you ever worked with a university project distributing large data to many people using torrent?
there are more examples of legit torrent use. It's like you guys think you are guilt until proven innocent. COme on where do we live now? | |
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Hurley, MS | Re: If most Bittorent use was legit; no ams race needed said by jgkolt:HCT you are assuming. Give me some facts. You're asking for proof that most bittorrent traffic isn't legit?
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1 edit | Re: If most Bittorent use was legit; no ams race needed Keyword is "most." Anyone who believes that MOST bittorrent traffic is legit, yes, is in complete denial.
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1 edit | said by fAcEtIOUs:But we all know that MOST Bittorent traffic isn't legit. Hence the arms race. So once again the criminals amongst us make it bad for everyone. Think about it this way, if it weren't for this arms race people at Ellacoya, Sandvine, Cisco's SCE department and Allot amongst others would be out of jobs.
As it is they are working on and probably subcontracting to cryptanalysts as well to identify this stuff.
Oh and encrypted BT has been detectable for ages owing to the fact the implementation of it was total crap. | |
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Port Orange, FL | legal or illegal can be used by anyone for political purpose you know we have very little freedom as it is right now.
The term is vague
Sharing files is freedom and not a criminal thing
It doesn't hurt me, it doesn't hurt you actually its quite healthy and productive
You are happy if you can share what you like rather then be limited like a child.
I am freedom fighter but you are not so please think before you say something. | |
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said by hihi9:I am freedom fighter but you are not so please think before you say something. If you like to delude yourself in to thinking that way, go ahead. Just don't get caught though. Or your freedom fighting will get you in alot of trouble. At least financially, if no other way.
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1 edit | Re: more uses. said by rlocone: As for torrents use them to get the latest Linux Distros. This always cracks me up......And I'm not picking on you, I just quoted you because thats what I always see people say" I'm using it to get Linux".....
I gotta laugh cause I know probably 100 people that use torrents, and none of them are using it to get Linux..but that all say they are..:)
I think if we really checked, we would see that no one is downloading Linux.....well, maybe 3 people did...By mistake....:) | |
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| | rloconeHonor Our Heros, Our Armed ForcesPremium
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Kokomo, IN | Re: more uses. You do have a point. Me personally, I hate torrents. I rather use newsgroups. But most of the major linux distros do use torrents. But if you don't want to use torrents you still can use mirror sites. | |
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a) Ubuntu 7.10
b) Kubuntu 7.10 (the CD and DVD)
c) Kubuntu 7.10 alt (had trouble with the others)
I also reported Bug #161117 last night to the Ubuntu support team (need more proof than that?)...so screw all you f'ing self rightous people. Get your heads out of your...well, you know where they are.
I d/ld these in the period of 2 days...you can add up how large they are, and I'd say many who try Linux do the same | |
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| | file sharing is not illegal... HCT
file sharing is NOT illegal... its only sharing illegal content that is obviously illegal, copyrighted material.. etc...
so you are wrong saying the courts would say file sharing is wrong...
if file sharing was illegal, I could never submit my resume in a .doc format on any site... as a .doc is obviously... a file... | |
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| | | Re: file sharing is not illegal... said by fishy80:HCT file sharing is NOT illegal... its only sharing illegal content that is obviously illegal, copyrighted material.. etc... thanks for that gem of wisdom captain obvious. | |
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| No point There's really no point of ISP trying to stop torrent when all they are doing is just slowing it down a little. PirateBay is already creating a new type of p2p/torrentish program so what's the point of stopping one program when there's a million out there? | |
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| Re: Bit Torrent USA has international copyright treaties that make redistributing Japanese works a copyright violation here, too. Same concept of someone pirating Windows in Japan.
Still, it's not unethical to download what you can't buy. Just be aware that something can be illegal even if it's ethical and moral. | |
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| | To be legit or not to be legit.... So ya, i play this game occasionaly, it's called world of warcraft, and it updates using torrents. Does that make me a pirate now?
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| Re: To be legit or not to be legit.... Here's my problem with all of this. File sharing won't go away, there's already a program called Mule (works kinds like Skype but for file sharing) which hides your IP perfectly, it just isn't in widespread enough use yet. Whatever the ISPs or whoever does, someone will find a different strategy to use. However, my beef is with, say Comcast's, 6,000 or 8,000 Mbps advertised speeds. No one really needs those speeds except for file sharing. Nearly everyone can do quite nicely with 4,000 or perhaps less. If ISPs are going to throttle our bandwidth, why on Earth should we pay for bandwidth we don't get to use? | |
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Lafayette, IN | Re: To be legit or not to be legit.... said by prestonlewis:However, my beef is with, say Comcast's, 6,000 or 8,000 Mbps advertised speeds. No one really needs those speeds except for file sharing. No one needs these speeds?
What a claim... I'm sure you know it ALL, too!
In my particular case I have 6 kids, 4 of which use the net regularly as part of our home schooling (plus my wife and I) have our own PCs, too. We have 10 Mbit internet. We use EVERY BIT OF IT'S SPEED ON A REGULAR BASIS for this and many other legit uses.
Don't tell us what we don't need... just because you cannot think of a good reason doesn't make it a good argument. | |
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Example: 10mb connection
0 - 50gb = speed 10 MB
50 - 100 = speed 5 MB
100 - 125 = speed 1 MB
125 + = speed 0.5 MB
The ISP would be able to SAVE on bandwidth cost, NO traffic shaping equipment, and whatever else they do that cost money for some crazy reason. | |
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I download all my WoW and America's Army content through bit torrent using encryption. It's the same way I downloaded the Hellgate: London demo/beta and pretty much every single every single media made available by the content producer for free download. Yet, because I use bit torrent ISPs assume I'm doing something illegal? I use encryption because what I use my paid connection for is my own damn business. Same reason I use a firewall, ad-blocker, pop-up blocker, virus scanner/blocker, malware scanner and lock my zip files. I am in control of my data and anyone interfering with that is a direct affront to my sensibilities. I pay an ISP to provide me with stable bandwidth, reliable connection and nothing more. | |
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| the problem with all these arguments.... The problem with all these arguments is that all these ISPs are private businesses and you are using their equipment regardless of what you are using it for. So if they want to throttle down, throttle up or otherwise shut you down on a whim because they don't want to end up in the middle of any sort of legal issue- they can. It's their stuff. It's their service. Now if you want to leave them because of it and go to someone else; they don't care. The handful of people that need that much encrypted bandwidth is nothing compared to the millions that just need a few megs or even just a few hundred kb to surf the web, check email and send grandma some pics. Those people are their bread and butter - Oh- and of course the business customers that contract up front for x amount of bandwidth and usually do most of their web hosting and static IP shopping all at the same place. | |
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| | | Re: public utilities To the poster above me, I would definitely not want the Government in charge of my Internet... They've got enough on there plate, and there not even managing to do a good job there.
Honestly this is just what happens when more people get access to the web. These business see profit potential and they do not want to let the $$ slip by..Same with the Music and Movie Industry.. They want to remain in control. But again it's all for the money. And they are business so I do not blame them.
But I would say that it's gone beyond profit and more into the greed area.. actually a whole lot..
So basically its like pirate bay, there working on a way around this. I wish em good luck. And this is what will happen, we all know it. Methods of getting around this will pop up. Or people will just finally say were tired of it... i.e. go to other options if there are any. Drop there ISP or something.
One more thing, seems a few people were complaining about actually using torrents for things not considered "illegal" and getting throttled.. You can thank that to our public school systems for that mentality. That's how it was in the school system I attended. One kid do something wrong.. Everyone else get punished to. I admit its a BS way of doing things.
What I don't understand why companies do not like the free Advertising they receive (Ie. YouTube and "copyright" material being taken down)..but in general I have found tons of video, audio, I would of never paid attention to if not for.. File-sharing.. p2p and Bit-torrent. And it has indeed led to a lot purchases..and it has also helped me to avoid a lot of bad purchases.. But if I do not have the cash to purchase said items. I may in the future. Chances are likely. But on the other hand if I don't have the cash now.. I'm not going to suddenly have the cash to buy these items because there not available on-line.... A lot of media content in general is older, and you can't find it at the stores(Thank goodness for Amazon.com). And it's definitely not feasible for said company that owns the rights, to try and reprint.. just because a select few want it.
And just moving on, I think a few people made a good point about encryption of data, it really is like the postal service in that sense. The envelope anyways.. You don't post said information for some sort of safety.
Anyways, this is just my Humble Opinion..
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| Re: public utilities The internet spread a lot more quickly after the US gov handed it off to the private sector. But, I think it needs some regulation, because monopolies form in a regulatory vacuum.
The problem is lack of transparency. Comcast has a right to sell whatever service they like, but they shouldn't be able to mislead people to thinking they are buying something else. Competitive forces will force companies to be what customers most want them to be, the problem is when they pretend to be what customers want but do something else to save money. | |
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As an Example, Back over the summer when those mineworkers has a collapse and were killed. Everyone knows the dangers of mineworking. However because of the fact that they happened to be in the mine when the mine decided to collapse, now the owner of the mine (mind you after he drilled 7 holes costing him a million dollars everytime he drilled one in his attempt to rescue his workers) he is now being proved by our worthless democratic congress. I say they are worthless cause they are too busy making their smoke screens for the next election rather then focusing on whats important. Frankly sometimes I feel like I want to move out of this nation that has nothing but a bunch of greedy morons. | |
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