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| I find it to be very ironic that the democraps would rather push legislation that forces schools to become cops of technology but they won't back any legislation that would require that state driver's licenses to place a visa / green card expiration date on them stating that "it's not the job of the "police" to enforce the very sovereignty of our nation.
They also believe it's the job of the schools to be police of knowing if someone has downloaded an episode of South Park on line, but not know if the very student is here, illegally, violating one of most important laws.
The next time there is a presidential election, don't think that voting for a 3rd party is throwing away your vote... the Republicans and Democraps are all the same these days.
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? I agree. It's ridiculous but not only because I agree with you regarding priorities. It's ridiculous to single out any type of illegal activity and expect anyone but law enforcement to handle it. I don't care how much lobby money is thrown at you. It's just not right!
If law enforcement isn't equipped to handle it, then let's pass legislation that creates entities capable of handling it.
What's next, universities equipped with their own anti-terrorist and bomb squads. This would never pass because the world of intelligentsia isn't capable of packing a weapon and pulling the trigger when necessary. What makes us believe they will be any more well suited to enforce copyright law?
In my opinion, the same goes for Internet Service Providers. They shouldn't act as police any more than schools. For that matter, don't some believe it's the role of the ISP to handle this. Doesn't the school use an ISP to connect to the Internet? Why then don't these folks expect the school's ISP to handle this issue?
This is hypocrisy on a grand scale.
Aside from creating a law enforcement entity capable of handling these matters, I might also agree with legislation that forced businesses and schools to cooperate with the the MPAA/RIAA to raise awareness of copyright law and the penalties for breaking it. However, I don't think we should expect the school to fund it. That should be at the expense of the RIAA/MPAA. | |
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1 edit | Re: Misplaced Priorities? "In my opinion, the same goes for Internet Service Providers. They shouldn't act as police any more than schools. For that matter, don't some believe it's the role of the ISP to handle this. Doesn't the school use an ISP to connect to the Internet? Why then don't these folks expect the school's ISP to handle this issue?" Depends on which level you think about it. On a certain level you could say that the college is the ISP since they are providing, or in some case even selling, internet access to students. Whoever is providing internet access to the college could be considered as a wholesaler.
Either way, personally I think the job of an ISP should be getting data from point A to point B, unmodified and without regards to the nature or content of the data. In fact, isn't that what the principle of net neutrality is all about? | |
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? "Either way, personally I think the job of an ISP should be getting data from point A to point B, unmodified and without regards to the nature or content of the data. In fact, isn't that what the principle of net neutrality is all about?"
Agreed.
I think if ISP's would jut be responsible for providing the pipe and not have to worry about all this other crap maybe they could put more of their time and money into the networks. I know that may just be a pipe dream but hey it's a good one lol. | |
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| said by fiberguy  :I find it to be very ironic that the democraps would rather push legislation that forces schools to become cops of technology but they won't back any legislation that would require that state driver's licenses to place a visa / green card expiration date on them stating that "it's not the job of the "police" to enforce the very sovereignty of our nation. Why do you find this unusual? The Democrat party backs full amnesty for illegals. They Democrat party wants illegals to be able to vote Democrat in every election. Why do you think that the governor of NY, as well as Mrs. Bill Clinton, want to have licenses for illegals?
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1 edit | Re: Misplaced Priorities? I know - and that's my point - and you hit it on the head with Billary and licenses.
My point is that the dems think that it's more important to pick on a college system over illegal file sharing (which I don't stand for anyway) and make them "police" while they turn the cheek and say "we can't have the police actually enforce real laws and have the ability to know if someone is actually breaking a serious law.
My point on this, pnh, is that as I see, sometimes, the dems as the lesser of the two evils, (during this pendulum swing) it is stunts like this where I throw my hands up in the air and say I'm voting for Ron Paul.
I find this move VERY oppressive towards it's citizens and very much a sign of a fascist state when the interest of a corporation is more important than the interests of the nation itself. I personally find open borders a problem worth taking a look at first. Bleeding hearts don't understand that terrorists would like to simply come across the border and set up sleeper cells. (They think it's all about wages and migrate workers) so I'd find that to be more important.
At this point, the democrats, IF THEY BACK THIS AS A GROUP, will end up crashing and burning as a party as the Republicans are now.. and where would that leave us? With a group of people that, hopefully, would finally make a change in government.
The low rating of congress, right now, is NOT owned by the democrats. It's been on a down hill fall for a few years now. The low approval rating isn't necessarily pointed at the dems, it's pointed at congress in a whole.
I just hope people wake up and not just 'disapprove', rather, actually do something. Every election day I vote a 3rd rail.. more people need to do that as well.
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1 edit | PNH speaks again...and yet there's not a word of truth in his statement... Surprised? Let's see, and the Republican Party doesn't back full Amnesty? Do you NOT recall Bush's bill to try and give them it? Better yet, WHO uses the labor PNH? Large corporations are the ones who hire these people, and they tend to be spearheaded by Republicans as big business usually is. Your racism comes to the surface again, along with your utter lack of understanding for the issue. Let's face it, if these businesses didn't hire them, there'd be no reason for them to stream over. Yet, Bush wanted to allow 600,000 more in this country as of a few months ago, and that was voted down. Still, until companies are held accountable for hiring illegals (Which they won't. Republicans won't punish big business), nothing will change. Therefore, think before you type as 95 percent of what you say isn't based in any truth or fact. You've come out without any real facts or evidence for the past several arguments. I guess I shouldn't expect any more from you. | |
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| See my reply to PNH or here it is....Both parties don't seem to interested in fixing, especiall the Republican Party who backed full amnesty and hires them.
Let's see, and the Republican Party doesn't back full Amnesty? Do you NOT recall Bush's bill to try and give them it? Better yet, WHO uses the labor PNH? Large corporations are the ones who hire these people, and they tend to be spearheaded by Republicans as big business usually is. Your racism comes to the surface again, along with your utter lack of understanding for the issue. Let's face it, if these businesses didn't hire them, there'd be no reason for them to stream over. Yet, Bush wanted to allow 600,000 more in this country as of a few months ago, and that was voted down. Still, until companies are held accountable for hiring illegals (Which they won't. Republicans won't punish big business), nothing will change. Therefore, think before you type as 95 percent of what you say isn't based in any truth or fact. You've come out without any real facts or evidence for the past several arguments. I guess I shouldn't expect any more from you. | |
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? said by jc100 :Let's see, and the Republican Party doesn't back full Amnesty? Do you NOT recall Bush's bill to try and give them it? Better yet, WHO uses the labor PNH? Yawn. Why do you think Jorge never proposed shamnesty while the Republicans controlled Congress?
Why do you think every Republican presidential candidate is trying to play down support for shamnesty or come out against it?
Last I heard, every major Democrat candidate supports shamnesty. While there are Republicans who also support shamnesty, such as Jorge Bush, any Republican presidential candidate who supports shamnesty isn't going to win the nomination.
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? And yet, the Republicans as a whole support it directly or indirectly. Once again, those large corporations seem to hire them in droves, with no recourse. I don't see anyone punishing them, do you? These corporations are usually Republican backed too, as is most big business. I don't see you addressing that point. Seems convenient you forget the biggest issue here. Pretend to whine and cry about them coming to this country, but hire them and given them incentive to enter illegally in the first place. Gee, what an astonishment, the Republican Party has another hypocrisy under it's belt. | |
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? said by jc100 :And yet, the Republicans as a whole support it directly or indirectly. Proof please?
If you are correct, why are so many Republican candidates coming out against it?
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? So they look like they care? Why do so many corporations hire these illegals? I see on the news quite a lot where INS raids businesses who hire these people in droves. The INS of course, no one ever says what happens to the business. Probably nothing, as they seem to have more illegals in no time. Either the Punishments are light, or they get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again. However, it is common knowledge that big business usually votes Republican and it's many of these same places that hire these people in the first place. However, when it comes down to it, Republicans want amnesty and their work more than anyone. They don't require health benefits and they get paid under federal minimum wage. | |
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? said by jc100 :So they look like they care? Why do so many corporations hire these illegals? I see on the news quite a lot where INS raids businesses who hire these people in droves. The INS of course, no one ever says what happens to the business. And who runs the INS?
Again, you have not answered my question. How is it that all Republicans support shamnesty? Where is your proof?
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? I never said they all did. I am saying this administration and a large number do by their actions. Multi conglomerate corporations utilize their labor. As stated before, these companies (Big Business) tend to be Republican based. By no means am I saying that all republicans support amnesty and by no means do all Democrats. However, the track record for politicians (Republicans)tends to favor it being that they ignore many cases, do not clamp down, and exploit such labor. Name or cite me any laws during a Republican Administration that heavy handedly made an effort to stop the problem? I don't think you'll find much. Hence, to say Democrats are any more for such crap is just another bit of hogwash from you. Both parties are lackluster, but Republicans tend to get the most benefit by using the cheap labor that doesn't require benefits and gets paid a LOT LESS.
As per the INS, Immigration Naturalization Services, its federally run. However, all they serve to do is send them back, where they return for jobs over and over. As long as big business offers them, these people will not stop their behavior. Can't blame them. In their country, they get paid low wages. Come here, and even if a company shafts them, they will make more than over there. Hence, until companies are held liable, we can never expect illegal immigration to be stemmed. | |
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? said by jc100 :I never said they all did. Ok.
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2 edits | Re: Misplaced Priorities? In respect to companies. Don't pick out a line in my sentence and misquote me. Companies as a whole support it when they hire the illegal labor, directly or indirectly. IE Most of these companies being Republican when it comes to big business. Indirectly being not checking out people to make sure they are legal, and directly being hiring these people themselves. Next time, read the whole statement before you try to B.S. and fit it to meet your distorted context so you can make some falsified point. | |
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? said by jc100 : Next time, read the whole statement before you try to B.S. and fit it to meet your distorted context so you can make some falsified point. .. to be honest, you're the one making a lot of claims here and yet you've not pointed to one thing that backs up your statement.
So far everything you've said is based purely on emotion and largely without any fact. Who's making falsified points here anyway?
Nothing you've said, so far, doesn't apply to anyone void of their political affiliation.
The ONLY thing that either party has in common is that they are only appearing concerned to the general population in order to gain votes.
Immigration is a WEDGE ISSUE... it's designed to drive a wedge between voters and divide them. It makes elections easier.
Abortion
Gay Marriage
Illegal Immigration
Social Security
Health Care
... ever notice that these are the things that politicians tell US what is important to us? I don't need anyone telling me ANYTHING important to me.. *I* will tell them, if they care to listen, what's important to me. I don't need some idiot telling me what I care about.
The only reason they care about the immigration issue is to gain a group of people to vote for them.. and you know what? It's all at the expense of national security.
To be honest, the majority of people that come here are hard working, dedicated, American loving people that would work 4 times harder than those very Americans that want them out of the country. (Ironic) So I could care less about the Mexican worker...
.. what *I'M* more worried about is EITHER party using illegal immigration as a way to gain votes to get into office playing on the emotion of the voter.. EMOTION... meanwhile, it's at the cost of national security. Now, here comes the bleeders that are going to call me names... and that I'm crazy, or a right wing wacko (which I am not repub or democrap)... If EITHER party, ANY party, opens up and laxes the restrictions on people crossing the borders, then those that want to blow up shopping malls, bring in nukes, crash planes into buildings, and other wise cause disruption to the nation, will be able to float right across the border with them.
Sit here and play this game with the dems how it's all the republican's fault and who supports what.. believe what the talking point memos say all you want... or, open your eyes and see beyond the smoke screen of the false reality that you are being given.
Maybe one day when you've actually put your life on the line, as some of us have, to defend this nation from those that would want to harm us, maybe then I'll take your dribble seriously.
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| said by jc100 :In respect to companies. Don't pick out a line in my sentence and misquote me. How am I misquoting you? I put an image of exactly what you said.
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? Which circled the FIRST sentence, but failed to put it in context of the rest of the statement.... Which you so wonderfully did. If you put what I said as a whole, with the entire statement, it meant something completely different. You'd make a great politicians, misquoting and misconstruing what one person says, into single line B.S. that you can twist around. | |
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? said by jc100 :Which circled the FIRST sentence, but failed to put it in context of the rest of the statement.... So what? I certainly did not misquote you.
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? It's called taking something out of context. It's the same as misquoting since it doesn't mean what I intended when isolated as a single sentence. So yes, learn grammar and reading, and you'll find pulling out one sentence without looking at the rest is still MISINTERPRETING / MISQUOTING. | |
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? said by jc100 :It's called taking something out of context. It's the same as misquoting since it doesn't mean what I intended when isolated as a single sentence. How is it my fault if you make it so easy for me to do that?
said by jc100 :So yes, learn grammar and reading, and you'll find pulling out one sentence without looking at the rest is still MISINTERPRETING / MISQUOTING. Uh no... here is an example of misquoting. Say I said that you said:
It's ok to take something out of context.
See, that is misquoting, because you actually said:
It's called taking something out of context.
See the difference?
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? You're just pulling for straws. Quite pathetic to say the least. PNH, you're seriously not even worth talking to in a debate. You simply come to the table with no evidence and a bagful of bigotry. Once again, you seem to have no answers when tough questions are brought up. Still want to know how Christianities history is ANY LESS WORSE than those so called terrorists... | |
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? said by jc100 :You're just pulling for straws. Quite pathetic to say the least. PNH, you're seriously not even worth talking to in a debate. Why are you still here then? If you find what I say so objectionable, you are free to ignore me.
said by jc100 :Still want to know how Christianities history is ANY LESS WORSE than those so called terrorists... You've pretty much been pwned on this on other threads.
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| You are so misguided in your views and incorrect in your facts.
Many FARMERS hire the illegals. Show me some proof that all farmers are Republicans. In fact, you will find that there is no litmus test that says if you are a farmer, you are a Republican. I grew up a farmer's son, worked on the farm, know MANY farmers - and guess what? ... in California where most of this problem is. I can tell you that there are plenty of farmers who are democrats.
Secondly, the hotel industry - another large source of immigrant workers. You do realize that the large "corporate" hotels don't hire illegals. If you want to call something like a Motel 6 a "corporation" you might be able to. However, Motel 6, for example, are individually owned franchises. Maybe that individual hotel IS a corporation which brings me to my next point..
There is a difference, in context, of a "corporation" and "big corporate"... I am one person and I'm a corporation. It's a piece of paper. You're using the word "corporate" as a slanderous word. Big corporations, as you are referring to, are not the ones being raided. The businesses that are raided may be incorporated making them a corporation, but I can tell you that some of these businesses that have been raided have sometimes only 50 to 200 employees.. not hardly the "corporations" you are speaking of.
This isn't an issue of Republicans or Democrats 'benefiting' from any perk of hiring an illegal.. it's about the entity or individual directly that benefits.
You really need to stop watching CNN so much for an education. Everything you are saying comes direct from the news desk at CNN. Just about every point you have I can direct you to a headline from the media. Really, try getting into the facts, and by that I don't mean actually reading the 4 paragraphs that follow the headline either.
I'm just still trying to figure out where this "common knowledge" you speak of about... when I hear someone say "it's common knowledge" it pretty much means ".. the people in my own circle believe..."
So, while we're here, let's put you on the spot. Since it's such a huge problem, name 5 "multi conglomerate corporations" who are utilizing illegal immigrant labor. IF you care to save face and answer the question, be prepared, because I will be happy to check your facts.
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| Re: Misplaced Priorities? Actually, large chains do hire them. I've been to many and guess what? That's their staff. I can say the same, PROVE TO ME they DON'T. If you bothered to read anything I wrote, I said neither party seems to concerned about the issue of immigration but Republican Large Corporations benefit from them the most. Yes, I know there are lots of migrant workers, but most are illegal too. However, a large portion of workers here illegally are NOT migrant. They work in a variety of industries and for large corporations, too. However, when it comes down to it, I frankly don't care if they are here or not. I just think that if corporations hire them, they should be forced to give them normal wages and the same benefits. That won't happen, and hence, these same companies exploit their labor and disparity. If they had to pay them the same, they wouldn't use illegals. Anyhow, It's not that I think they take our jobs for one minute. They do a lot of work, Americans won't do. Still, there is a problem in this country. I'm not jaded to think we don't got too many people freeloading off the system. However, it's from all sides. Whites make up 30 percent of Welfare. Blacks make up 38 percent (only 39 million blacks in the country). I am not sure what Mexicans encompass. I never looked that up on the government statistics. Still, the point said, we got a whole host of problems in this country and no one seems keen on solving them. As to the issues of Gay Marriage, Abortion, etc, they are important. Would you rather we write bigotry and hatred into law? I'd prefer not...I don't see Democrats wanting to outlaw these. Only the religious right. It's why I favor Democrats. It's not that I agree with everything they do. Far from it. It's that in the end, I think we get a little less raped when it comes down to it. Since we got a 2 party system, Democrats are the ones who usually represent the middle class the best and mostly not want hatred into law. This is not to say all, but most. My 2 cents. | |
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| Err...no I'm in college and can tell you from experience that this will NEVER be able to work. For one the network has so much going through it that you would need deep packet inspection to find all of the "pirated" content. Secondly students are not going to rat out their friends for fear of federal funding loss. So you end up with no one talking at all and denying everything. If the government wants to cover the costs for all schools (public and private) to condition their networks to do such a task along with paying for the music subscriptions then go right on ahead. Otherwise there is no chance in hell that this will happen. Trying to expose or shut down pirates just drives them further underground. Schools have enough trouble...they don't need to be the copyright police too. RIAA and MPAA need to rethink their business model...not rob college kids who have no money in the first place. | |
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| Re: Err...no said by AnonProxy :And yes packet inspection and shaping technology are what they are talking about. The point that more got me was the forced media subscriptions every college campus/student would now be required to have. Again, this move has nothing to do with piracy, but everything to do with subsidized funding support for the **AAs. | |
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| Swatting a fly with a baseball bat When Slashdot ran this article, one of the commentators mentioned that this is like swatting a fly with a baseball bat. I completely agree. While I appreciate that the entertainment industry wants to protect their copyrighted works, there has to be a measured response. With this proposal, one pirating individual who slips past a college's filtering efforts can jeopardize financial aid for all students. How is that fair?
As a side note, I wonder if this would start intra-college "pranks" along the lines of:
1. Sneak into a dorm room on a rival college's campus.
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After that, you get 2gb a week down, and 1up. After that your pretty much shit out of luck for the week until it resets. On average, no one in my hall made it to the end of the week cause of p2p downloads. hell, it made me go to the library to use the free wireless.
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| Re: Swatting a fly with a baseball bat said by 2kmaro :While all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all play and no work tends to get one into unpleasant situations --- like having to truck over to the library instead of working in the comfort of your room. Personally, I would've actually recommended bandwidth throttling here. After the kid hits cap, move their connection down to dial-up for the remainder of the week. Many colleges are moving more and more online, and so access is getting more and more necessary.
College students can still browse their pages for assignments, schedules, and studying at a speed of 56k. It'll suck, but its better than no connection at all. | |
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| Its a good idea. I think its a decent idea. You go to college to learn, not to pirate. I believe things should be done to crack down on illegal activities on college networks.
How they implement it may not be to my liking, but the general idea of cracking down on illegal activities at colleges is a good idea. | |
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| Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| Re: Its a good idea. said by RainWind :You go to college to learn, not to pirate. If you think this measure has anything to do with curbing piracy, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
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| said by RainWind :I think its a decent idea. You go to college to learn, not to pirate. I believe things should be done to crack down on illegal activities on college networks. How they implement it may not be to my liking, but the general idea of cracking down on illegal activities at colleges is a good idea. How do you learn not to pirate ? Maybe highschool should teach kids not to shoplift... | |
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burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk
join:2000-10-23
Utica, MI
| Yeah, odd. I went to college and am in grad school now and have yet to use p2p for anything.
What gives?
And for the people who don't like it, pony up and go to a private school.
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ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
·RCN CABLE
| Democrats? yea right Why do people insist on calling these new politicians democrats. They are not democrats no more than Bush is a great leader. The left side of the party has long vanished. We are now in a one party system whether we like it or not. A true leftist democrat would never side with Hollywood so easily. Let the RIAA/MPAA provide absolute unbiased proof that they are truly losing money before stampeding upon the privacy and infrastructure of other individuals/companies/schools. I hope schools have the will to fight. The federal govt needs them a whole lot more, there are plenty of countries with money who who would be willing to give a school a nice contribution towards there research into advanced technology. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Democrats? yea right said by ossito16 :Why do people insist on calling these new politicians democrats. They're "democratics?" 
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join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| Re: Democrats? yea right said by pnh102 :said by ossito16 :Why do people insist on calling these new politicians democrats. They're "democratics?" If only...
We started a downward decline from a real Democracy with Nixon. | |
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| jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| said by ossito16 : A true leftist democrat would never side with Hollywood so easily. Let the RIAA/MPAA provide absolute unbiased proof that they are truly losing money before stampeding upon the privacy and infrastructure of other individuals/companies/schools. Ah, my friend, you forget that Hollywood is absolutely filthy with liberals/Democrats. Of course, their dirty little secret is that they'll never give up their millions, mansions, jets, and limos -- but they expect the rest of us to do without "for the greater good".
You also overlook the fact that the foundation of liberalism is confiscating what some people earn to give it to those who didn't. | |
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| About time that colleges grow some ethics... You know full well no college would stand by and watch students steal college property yet they have no problem watching students steal copyright protected works. The college staff should be embarrassed to even show their faces in public after tolerating such wide spread criminal activity and turning their heads. Just shows how irresponsible and apathetic many if not most college staff and administration is to law and order.
Every Pirate deserves prison time. THAT would send a clear message that Piracy will not be tolerated. | |
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| lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA | Re: About time that colleges grow some ethics... So, you basically want the country to become China.
There's an easier way of having that, MOVE TO CHINA. | |
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Hazeleyze
join:2003-05-09
Wauseon, OH
| said by buyAclue :
You know full well no college would stand by and watch students steal college property yet they have no problem watching students steal copyright protected works. The college staff should be embarrassed to even show their faces in public after tolerating such wide spread criminal activity and turning their heads. Just shows how irresponsible and apathetic many if not most college staff and administration is to law and order.
Every Pirate deserves prison time. THAT would send a clear message that Piracy will not be tolerated.
It is not the responsibility of the college to babysit their students. If they get caught doing something wrong, they should pay for it but to make everyone pay for something whether they want it or not is wrong. To force students to pay for music whether they have a computer or not is wrong.
RIAA is more irresponsible than anybody. They think it's okay to collect all this money and not share with the artists, writers, etc. It looks to me like they're screwing those people out of the money they deserve and they're the ones that made them what they are. I bet the RIAA would never admit to stealing from them.
It all boils down to the fact that people are not buying music and they have nothing else to blame it on but piracy so they're just going to bleed whoever they can whether you buy it or not. I'd like to know what favors have gone down between them to make congress kiss thier ass. | |
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| | scooper
join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC | Re: About time that colleges grow some ethics... If the RIAA wants the colleges to do something about the filesharing - then the RIAA should FUND the colleges' efforts at doing so. Just like they should FUND any other ISP's efforts. | |
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Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA
1 edit | said by buyAclue :
Every Pirate deserves prison time. THAT would send a clear message that Piracy will not be tolerated.
This would serve nothing more then to overpopulate our already overcrowded prison systems. And how is that going to be rectified? by more prisons being built on our dime and taking up more land that could be better used for housing people that will generate money into our economy. An artist of course has a right to the content that they create. But prison for downloading songs for your personal use and not to make money is just stupid. | |
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@qwest.net
| + theft –noun
+ 1. the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying
+ away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
Copyright infringement is not theft. The rightful owners of the (copyrighted) items are not deprived of ANYTHING with the exception of a hypothetical sale.
I don't argue that audio/video file sharing reduces sales, but by probably 1/1000 times as much as the RIAA/MPAA claim. | |
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restring
join:2006-09-22
Manchester, NH
| if this goes thru If this proposal goes through the only way the Unis will be able to comply is to block all peer to peer communications, or in effect go back to the host-based model of the 1970s and 80s where student machines will only be allowed to connect to servers operated by the school.
Deep packet inspection? Encrypt the packets!
And how do they propose to stop people from swapping CD and DVD-Rs at parties? Total Surveillance of all student gatherings on-campus? STASI-style Snitch networks?
Watch this proposal get binned. | |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| Sneakernet.... sure you wont be able to go globial like with Torrents but the law cant stop the good ole Sneakernet unless they ban portable media devices.
though i can see it now, Campus Police drop the flash drive and step away slowly.....
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join:2000-09-17
Fairfax Station, VA
1 edit | Here's why the Dems are trying this now... My theory as to why the dems are doing this now is because of the writer's strike. With John Stewart and the Daily Show off the air, millions of students are without their only source of (faux) news   Without the Daily Show, they are totally clueless about what is happening in the world... | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: Here's why the Dems are trying this now... Actually I suspect unfortunately that many of the Dems pushing for the College bill are also clueless about this clause that's been slipped into it. | |
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| | jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Here's why the Dems are trying this now... I'm pretty sure most of the 500+ elected idiots on the Hill don't have a clue about most of what's in the legislation they pass -- except for the pork. | |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| WTF Whatever happened to what's going on in Iraq? Or the ever-exploding national deficit? Or 50 million without health care? Or the Read ID Act? Or telco immunity from warrantless searches?
How does P2P technology on college campuses even figure into this country's current, pressing issues?! That this latest turd is sponsored by the Demublicans is not a surprise. When it comes to two-faced/double dealing, the Dems have absolutely nothing over the Gee Oh Pee. The only redeeming quality the Gee Oh Pee has is that at least they stab you in the face and let you know that they hate everyone who isn't white, rich and male. The Dems pretend to represent "the people," but the reality is that they are collecting the same money left on the dresser from the same johns the Gee Oh Pee services on a regular basis. | |
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Noah Vail
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join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
| The ultra sad thing is Our urban areas are full of people who actually think this way.
Who here thinks this thinking is healthy?
Who here reads this and says to themselves, "I'm going to teach my kids to think and say stuff just like this?"
In all honesty, this is a sickness.
Not a Rush fan, but a brilliant supposition he crafted was that we could defeat every enemy we have, simply by exporting liberalism.
Any country whose citizens brains churned with thoughts like the one above would be too incapacitated to cause anyone any trouble.
It's like listening to Willard Scott's evil twin with a severe thyroid malady.
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tbaker397
join:2004-07-19
Berlin, PA
| At My College Of which the name I will not state, but at my college they offer the Ruckus for students to use free of cost. However, somehow, someway, they block anyone from downloading torrents from tpb, demonoid(when it was up) etc... I'm not sure how they do it, I just know my friends and I have not been able to download torrents whatsoever since I have been at school.
But back to my original point, my school offers Ruckus, which is a half assed/half decent idea, if only they had more songs. 2 million just doesn't cut it. | |
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madrhino
join:2004-07-03
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| Add this to the student loan death trap I wonder how they'll pay for it?????
Let's pump up those student loan amounts and extend the period of indentured servitude as long as possible.
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join:2002-07-02
Old Greenwich, CT
clubs:
| Extortion Threatening like this is extortion. Just like how under the Federal Highway Aid Act a state will lose funding unless the state has a minimum drinking age of 21.
It's interesting how many similarities there are between the government and organized crime. | |
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join:2004-07-03
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Extortion said by phatness :It's interesting how many similarities there are between the government and organized crime. They are EXACTLY the same.Rob from the poor, give to the rich.
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@startek.com
| That's why I will never give a dime to fascist fucks like MADD and never show respect to anyone who does: They want to deny the personal freedom of adults and want to continue our absurd policy of throwing potheads in jail. I support concentration camps for advocate of cannabis prohibition: Hoist ignorant fascists on their own petard. | |
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DufiefData
join:2006-06-13
Gaithersburg, MD
| Is this what colleges should spend their time on? This is so utterly inane! Is it the musicians who are inspiring the Democrats...or the trial lawyers who will reap millions (billions?) of dollars suing students and schools. Maybe some of the lawsuit and settlement fees will find their way into campaign funds...?
Please, colleges have better things to do than become traffic cops trying to fend off eager entertainment attorneys. | |
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Hollywood bought the Dems and this is their payoff
Retaliation?
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