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Comments on news posted 2007-11-14 13:57:39: The cable industry was already convinced that the FCC's Kevin Martin hated their guts. That impression only grew after last week's news that the agency was getting ready to heap a new pile of regulation on the cable industry. ..

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Shamayim
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So, is this good or bad

for cable customers? Inquiring minds want to know.

RadioDoc
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Re: So, is this good or bad

No sane person would ever assume the FCC in any form is a "consumer advocate". This editorial's main thesis is invalid. The FCC protects the government's interests, nothing else.

FFH
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Re: So, is this good or bad

said by RadioDoc:

No sane person would ever assume the FCC in any form is a "consumer advocate". This editorial's main thesis is invalid. The FCC protects the government's interests, nothing else.
All government regulatory agencies are more attuned to the needs of those they are regulating than the public at large. If they are in thrall to anyone other than the industries they regulate, it is to the special interest groups that have the money and time, and will put out the effort and organization to be heard. The general public just doesn't care enough to be heard or do anything about these agencies except complain to their friends and relatives.
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RadioDoc
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Re: So, is this good or bad

Yup. The main reason the FCC exists is to create a stable market for the regulated companies. Its predecessor, the FRC, was created to clean up the mess an unregulated nascent broadcast industry caused by jamming each other.
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said by FFH:

All government regulatory agencies are more attuned to the needs of those they are regulating than the public at large. If they are in thrall to anyone other than the industries they regulate, it is to the special interest groups that have the money and time, and will put out the effort and organization to be heard. The general public just doesn't care enough to be heard or do anything about these agencies except complain to their friends and relatives.
Why your right! The public needs representation (lobbyists, front groups) like the telcos have.

oh wait. we already have some - it's called Congress! our elected representatives!

when I think of congress, though, I get so sad because they have sold their souls to industry.

you like that, don't you HCT? Why do you hate the general public?

FFH
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Re: So, is this good or bad

said by nasadude:

said by FFH:

All government regulatory agencies are more attuned to the needs of those they are regulating than the public at large. If they are in thrall to anyone other than the industries they regulate, it is to the special interest groups that have the money and time, and will put out the effort and organization to be heard. The general public just doesn't care enough to be heard or do anything about these agencies except complain to their friends and relatives.
Why your right! The public needs representation (lobbyists, front groups) like the telcos have.

oh wait. we already have some - it's called Congress! our elected representatives!

when I think of congress, though, I get so sad because they have sold their souls to industry.

you like that, don't you HCT? Why do you hate the general public?

I don't like the socialists that would turn this country in to a 3rd world cesspool. Give me unadorned capitalism every time.
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Re: So, is this good or bad

said by FFH:

I don't like the socialists that would turn this country in to a 3rd world cesspool. Give me unadorned capitalism every time.
I understand the capitalism part, but you like having a corrupt congress?

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Re: So, is this good or bad

said by nasadude:

said by FFH:

I don't like the socialists that would turn this country in to a 3rd world cesspool. Give me unadorned capitalism every time.
I understand the capitalism part, but you like having a corrupt congress?
No. And I don't like death & taxes either. But all are inevitable and part of the human condition. There is no such thing as a non-corrupt politician. I've learned to accept it and work within the system to maximize my best interests.
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Re: So, is this good or bad

said by FFH:

I've learned to accept it and work within the system to maximize my best interests.
And that, my friends, is the difference between someone who spends their life living it and others who spend their lives whining, loudly, about things they cannot control.

Expecting the government to be your "consumer advocate" is inane. If it were on your side, buying the same drugs in Canada and elsewhere for 1/5 of what they cost here would be encouraged, not prohibited.
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Re: So, is this good or bad

said by RadioDoc:

And that, my friends, is the difference between someone who spends their life living it and others who spend their lives whining, loudly, about things they cannot control.
No kidding. if more people would just enjoy their lives as best they can, instead of whining about things they cannot control, everyone would be alot happier.

Is corruption wrong? Sure. Is it going to change? not a chance in hell.
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Re: So, is this good or bad

We have to fight against corruption, just to hold the line. If we accept it, it will change... for the worse.

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said by FFH See ProfileI don't like the socialists that would turn this country in to a 3rd world cesspool. Give me unadorned capitalism every time.[/BQUOTE :

Be careful what you wish for....

There are very few examples of unadorned Capitalism in the world. Off the top of my head, I can think of just one atm.

Somalia.
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This is nothing new

His love for the phone companies will only hurt them in the long run. When an FCC chairman appointed by another administration moves in and hits them hard.
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Re: This is nothing new

and holds them to everything they've been agreeing to when they want their mergers. AT$T and VZ won't be to happy then.

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Hypocrisy in Goverment

This is a totally new find, and utterly groundbreaking to the core - a government official saying one thing, but doing another.

Well, at least candidates hold true to their promises made on the campaign trail. Oh...wait...
hogrunr

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Re: Hypocrisy in Goverment

Sounds like Karl is a little bitter...notice he's the mod for the Road Runner forum on here....

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Re: Hypocrisy in Goverment

said by hogrunr:

Sounds like Karl is a little bitter...notice he's the mod for the Road Runner forum on here....
Are you the same hogrunr at »utalk.att.com? Here at dslreports you claim that you are in Fayetteville, AR but by reading your posts at utalk you claim that you are in Houston, TX that you have FTTH, that your daddy is an 30 year veteran at&t employee and that you know at&t executives 'fairly high up' like in this post.
»utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···d.id=944

You made an complete idiot out of yourself at the official uverse site.
»utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···g&page=1

I invite anyone to review your posts at »utalk.att.com

Now you want to bring your nonsense censorship and defamation tactics to dslreports.
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Re: Hypocrisy in Goverment

Might I add, in Karl's defense, he's the primary news editor for DSLR during the week and has been for quite some time. He's also gone out of his way to point out that this is an editorial. Besides, he's a commentator - it's his job to give people his opinion, regardless of where it comes from.
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said by hogrunr:

Sounds like Karl is a little bitter...notice he's the mod for the Road Runner forum on here....
To be honest with you, and I'm not always on the same page as Karl, but this particular news item, in my opinion, is well written and, I hate to use this term, but a fair and balanced take on Martin.

Also, hog, if you knew much about Karl, his positions are generally not pro cable.

I find this piece of his to focus on the man himself (Martin) and verifiable actions that he's made over the past leading up to now.

Bitter? I didn't see that and I'm one of Karl's worst critics at times.
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Seriously?

Are we surprised?

Karl, I gotta say I disagree with you a lot of the time but when it comes to Mr. Martin and the current state of affairs with the FCC, I can't say there's any way to disagree with you.

Frankly, I'll tell you exactly what's happening here:

1) Kevin Martin is preparing himself for a nice cushy job at the end of his term, and the way things are going he's locked in a pretty fat salary and a nice retirement package for himself.

2) Prior to starting as the FCC chair, he most likely approached both sides of the table - the cablecos and the telcos. Here's the deal they probably worked out: promise me everything a man could desire in this world after my term is over and I'll give your company whatever you want as FCC chair. The cablecos probably balked at his offer or felt another candidate for the chairmanship would get the post and backed them instead. Either way, theirs was the wrong answer and he chose the telcos in the end.

3) Probably due to some clandestine method that he used to communicate his offer (unable to prove that he ever said anything) to the cablecos or due to some other major dirt he's got on them (ex.: a la carte is not only feasible, it's available and working in the system that's in place now), the cablecos are unable or unwilling to out him.

4) Media outlets are not concerned with Mr. Martin's activities, not because it is not significant news or because they really like him, but because it is very easy for him to make one phone call and make life difficult for them (cut their broadcasting license based on some out-of-context remark, for example, with plenty of trumped-up demographics to support the charge). Internet broadcasters / bloggers are not taken seriously by Mr. Martin because they cannot impact the average American in nearly as incredible a way as the Big Four broadcast channels can, and because he has no recourse due to the lack of regulation on the internet. Please note that I am not trying to slight internet broadcasters or bloggers with this statement - I am simply pointing out how Martin views this situation.

What do you think?
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Re: Seriously?

I agree Riley that government agencies are in the pockets of the very industries they are supposed to reform. Just like Congress/Senate members have to wait a few years before becoming lobbyist, rule should change to do something similar for heads of the FCC, SEC, FDA, by keeping them away from the very industry they were just whoring for.
dogo88

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Well, here's my take:

In his earlier years, Kevin had cable. Got tired of the rate increases, piss poor service, arrogant and stupid CSRs and decided, like the rest of us who think cable sucks, that when given a chance, stick it to them hard.

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Re: Seriously?

The Feds just need to get out of the way and let MaBell compete with Cable and Satellite.
Ahrenl

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Re: Seriously?

How are the feds in the way of MaBell competing? Besides, you know, crippling MaBell's competitors...
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Re: Seriously?

It's not competition when something is handed to you. It's more like Robin hood only this time he's taking from the rich to give to the favored or friend.
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said by Topmounter:

The Feds just need to get out of the way and let MaBell compete with Cable and Satellite.
LOL you meant that as a joke.. Right ?!

Adi
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said by dogo88:

... that when given a chance, stick it to them hard.
So tell me if this is what you're saying.. it's ok to be in government to take out personal issues of your own and not take the job to do the business of the people, right?

Right or wrong in his outcome, it's the mentality behind the reasons that bothers me.

There's something that you and everyone else here has to remember - be it cable, phone, cellular, ISP, what have you, congress can't regulate "arrogant and stupid CSRs" or the likes. It's not government's job to legislate morality. On the flip side, it can be said that there are plenty consumers out there with piss poor attitudes, and who also are arrogant and stupid.

The scope in which government needs to be involved in the workings of any part of society needs to be limited. You can't make people love anything and you can't force anyone to smile at you over the phone.

Before you go on to the surface of my post, read into it to see what I'm saying... IOW, remove your emotion from this post.. just as I'm saying you have to do when you look at society as a whole.

There are just certain things that only government is big enough to do, and then there are things that society will take care on it's own. (ie: Gov can't always force non-arrogance with in a company, but they CAN allow and make it easier for someone else to come in and compete with the, and that doesn't always mean to put chains on the one guy putting them at a disadvantage to favor someone else)
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Karl nails it

"TV rates have continued to rise with the entry of the baby bells into the market...The promise of lower TV prices is simply used as a PR carrot on a stick (see Bell franchise reform) in order to get baby bell-lobbied laws passed -- with Kevin Martin's help."
Kevin Martin is assured a lucrative position in 2009, so I understand his motivation....but why do so many on this board buy into the Bellspeak?
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Re: Karl nails it

It's unusual for Karl to say anything derogatory about Verizon since his admission of accepting BRIBES from the said company!

I think he was accepting fine cheeses and classic automobiles via helicopter drop shipments for the distribution of Verizon propaganda here on BBR!


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Re: Karl nails it

??

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said by Ream0 :

It's unusual for Karl to say anything derogatory about Verizon since his admission of accepting BRIBES from the said company!

I think he was accepting fine cheeses and classic automobiles via helicopter drop shipments for the distribution of Verizon propaganda here on BBR!

AHAHAHHAHAH that's the funniest comment of this entire thread !! Thanks for the laughs !

Adi

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You are incorrect.

The entire mod team benefits from Verizon's bribes, not just Karl. Hell, they paid my week in Barbados last year!

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said by jslik:

"TV rates have continued to rise with the entry of the baby bells into the market...The promise of lower TV prices is simply used as a PR carrot on a stick (see Bell franchise reform) in order to get baby bell-lobbied laws passed -- with Kevin Martin's help."
Kevin Martin is assured a lucrative position in 2009, so I understand his motivation....but why do so many on this board buy into the Bellspeak?
TV rates are still high because the nexus of control is with the content providers and not with the access providers. Hollywood and the 4 major entertainment companies control prices. Having the telcos deliver TV in addition to cable and satellite has not changed that fact at all.
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said by jslik:

"TV rates have continued to rise with the entry of the baby bells into the market...The promise of lower TV prices is simply used as a PR carrot on a stick (see Bell franchise reform) in order to get baby bell-lobbied laws passed -- with Kevin Martin's help."
Show me the % if US households that have both cable and telco offerings when it comes to TV. Not very high. Not in my area.

Does TV really matter. In 10 years most TV channels will show all their shows online. Speeds should be fast enough by them to even offer them HD. If not 10 then definately in 20 so WTF does it matter what the FCC does?

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Picture

Does his smug picture make anyone else want to punch him in the mouth?
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said by Matt3:

Does his smug picture make anyone else want to punch him in the mouth?
I wonder what Lil Jimmy Norton would want to put in his sweet mouth.. Arrrrraghhhhh

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A fun read

The above piece was a fun read. But it could have been summed up very quickly with "Phone companies offer more bribes to Martin than cable companies".

If Comcast decides to up the anty by giving him a few million more than the telco's, he'll back-peddle faster than a 3 legged duck. So when he does reverse these regulations, you'll know the Comcast execs will be getting lower bonuses this year.

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Re: A fun read

he won't because telcos will just pay him more.

telco realizes the power Martin has. he can sink them. if telco loses Martin/the FCC, they are screwed.
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It's not just money to Martin, Telco's can make Martin's life miserable by having numerous senators and executive branchers hounding him day and night.

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Best article I've ever read on this site

Kudos to Karl Bode See Profile and DSLR for posting this. Cable companies are getting the shaft, and its not going to be good for anybody in the long run. I know that others will be quick to point out that if the shoe were on the other foot, cable would be trying to use favor with the FCC to get its agenda passed at the expense of everybody else. Sure, and satellite would be too, etc. That's why we have an FCC, and in theory they're supposed to make sure the opportunity is fair. Right now that FCC is using its authority to brow beat an entire industry at the request of another.
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Martin - another take on his reign at the FCC

One - given his presumed political ambitions in NC, he probably won't be taking some job with AT&T when his time as FCC Commissioner ends. He will be running for some political office - either a statewide office or as a member of Congress in some NC district. And as a Republican with a national reputation he will get all the contributions he needs from business. He won't need telco or cable to get money to run.

Two - he IS giving cable a tougher time at the FCC than the telcos. As to his motivations - who knows. But there are more easily enforced laws on the books about cable regulation than telco regulation that the FCC can act on. It may merely mean it is easier to regulate cable and that is why they bear the brunt. And by sticking it to cable it may help his reputation as a friend of the middle class when he runs for office. People at BBR hate the telcos as much as the cable companies, but out in the rest of the country cable is hated more than telco because TV used to be free - telephones never were.

Three - he has stuck it to telcos in a way too. He has done nothing to prevent cable companies from seriously poaching telephone users from the telcos. And except for enforcing E911 laws that were passed, cable has had a regulation free crack at getting those telephone users.

Four - if you want to see who Martin is really helping out, it is the content providers; TV networks; internet content providers, etc. If the FCC and Martin really wanted to see cable rates come down they would be going after all the consolidation in the content industry and preventing them from bundling TV networks like Disney, ESPN, etc are doing. Both the cable industry and the telcos TV prices are at the mercy of Hollywood content providers. To get ESPN, the access providers have to take a half dozen crap channels to get the ones they want.

Five - both cable and telco will continue to do just fine no matter what the FCC rules. And if he tries to stick it to cable, those decisions will get overturned in court like they were in the past. And if the court doesn't help, cable will just get the law changed in Congress.

In Summary: I don't think he is really giving cable or telco any real breaks. It is the TV networks and the conglomerates that control entertainment businesses that are really getting the breaks. And when he runs for political office, it is those companies that control the news organizations that will make sure to not make him look bad or dig too deeply in to his past policy decisions that could embarrass him during a run for office.
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Cable SUCKS.. Way to go Martin

So he is anti cable... they need their crap fed to them for they have forced it long enough on us consumers!

Giving hand outs to Verizon and it's ilk are paving the way for better broadband! Better broadband services equals no longer having the need to buy into a cable TV business model as we consume everything through our fast pipes!

I pay $40 a month for Internet and use it to watch content(Joost, Hulu, Tudo), talk thru Skype and surf the net. More will follow...
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Kevin Martin's real job

I've said this before, but I'll say it again: If Kevin Martin came out and said, "I'm the telco's bitch," it would be a refreshing note of subtlety.
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kudos seconded

This is the first time I almost completely agree with a Karl editorial.

It should be pointed out that there is a difference between what Kevin Martin advocates and what he implements. I agree that he expresses an anti-cable bias, but, correct me if I'm wrong, he has not significantly changed the FCC's policy.

In fact, the FCC has acted very conservatively and implemented few changes during Martin's tenure, which is fine with me. The government will not make things worst by preserving the status quo.

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Comcast sucks

I support this move , Not because of the telco , But this will force(?) comcast to drop sandvine .

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Re: Comcast sucks

said by MindlessHate:

I support this move , Not because of the telco , But this will force(?) comcast to drop sandvine .
Sure it will. LOL
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A la carte pricing

Ok,I am not a hater of cable, I just don't like the crappy picture or service. I have lived in 4 towns in the last 10 years, and not in one place could (or would) the cable co. get me a good picture. Analog can suck, and digital can be worse. My current cable tv drop is right off of a main trunk line, and the picture still sucked, so after 3 months, I went back to DTV.

But I never understood why I had to order packages of channels. It seems to me that cable companies could develop a pricing plan that allows for a la carte, yet still makes them a profit. And I am no lover of 'family values' types, but still believe I should be able to order what I want, charge me what you will.

Jmartz

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Re: A la carte pricing

said by viperlmw:

But I never understood why I had to order packages of channels. It seems to me that cable companies could develop a pricing plan that allows for a la carte, yet still makes them a profit. And I am no lover of 'family values' types, but still believe I should be able to order what I want, charge me what you will.
If you got your wish, A la cart would cost you the same for less. You'd be paying $21.99 for ESPN... the current pricing lets everyone split the costs to keep the prices lower. With a la carte, you'd have to foot the entire bill... remember, not only are the cable companies out to make money, but the owners of the channels need to make money to survive... so you'd be looking at insane prices for individual channels in order to make up for lost revenue.
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Re: A la carte pricing

said by Jmartz:

said by viperlmw:

But I never understood why I had to order packages of channels. It seems to me that cable companies could develop a pricing plan that allows for a la carte, yet still makes them a profit. And I am no lover of 'family values' types, but still believe I should be able to order what I want, charge me what you will.
If you got your wish, A la cart would cost you the same for less. You'd be paying $21.99 for ESPN... the current pricing lets everyone split the costs to keep the prices lower. With a la carte, you'd have to foot the entire bill... remember, not only are the cable companies out to make money, but the owners of the channels need to make money to survive... so you'd be looking at insane prices for individual channels in order to make up for lost revenue.
Ok, I agree with everything you just said. But you didn't disagree with anything I said. I understand the price point might be high. They should offer it anyway, even with the high price. They might even be able to charge MORE of a premium, as there are those who would do it just for principle.

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Always has a smile on his face

He looks well fed if you know what I mean $$$ and happy.

But is he really happy?

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Re: Always has a smile on his face

Wanna take bets that Martin (a) ends up on the Board of Directors of AT&T and/or Verizon, (b) a lobbyest for AT&T and/or Verizon, (c) President/CEO of AT&T and/or Verizon or (d) all of the above when he finally leaves office. I mean, he has to get some payback for all the pandering to the telcos!
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Re: Always has a smile on his face

said by TraumaJunkie:

Wanna take bets that Martin (a) ends up on the Board of Directors of AT&T and/or Verizon, (b) a lobbyest for AT&T and/or Verizon, (c) President/CEO of AT&T and/or Verizon or (d) all of the above when he finally leaves office. I mean, he has to get some payback for all the pandering to the telcos!
LOL ... TRUE TRUE... Who knows.

darbea
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Kevin and friends

Look,
Martin, congress, and everybody else is DC get well compensated for their corruptive behavior.

So what's the problem? As long as they take care of themselves and their "significant" others, everything's OK, right?

fensterlips

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Why Does Cable or Verizon/AT&T Deserve Anything?

Cable is still a monopoly in the communities served. Like any utility (gas, electric, trash) there's no feasible model for competition. Look at the California electricity de-reg of the '90s for a disaster.

Telco dialtone as a franchise is unwinding faster than a cheap clock. Raise you hands if you give your home number rather than your cell as a best choice to friends. I thought so, not many. And even that dialtone can come from DSL/VOIP, cable, cable/VOIP. Their franchise has to rethink it's business and come up with new uses for all the embedded infrastructure or go out of business. They are a natural for a level playing field with cable.

Cable has done nothing with the franchise except abuse customers, misspend money (think Adelphia)and provide really crappy service. They NEED serious competition. If Verizon and AT&T can do it, great. This will moves us towards HD over DSL -- the model is all there.

I can't understand the bundling of services except as a way to subsidize sports. The sports channels are obscenely expensive, but cable is forced to buy a whole package with this stuff buried with everything else. If one good thing ever happens the providers and the cable companies will be the forced unbundling of services. I'm not forced to buy cabbage because I need a quart of milk. This is complete insanity and the best argument against pure capitalism. It led to a gentleman's agreement to screw the consumer -- and the consumer has exactly zero leverage.

Ken Martin getting ready to leave office to a feathered nest in business? Of course! Until we somehow (somehow) get the laws changed so that those leaving Washington cannot work in the industries they controlled, or a 3 year waiting period is mandated, only everyone will do this. There are very few ex-members of Congress that don't work for lobbyists

We need to think of meaningful solutions, though, not merely vent and spew our sarcasm and anger......

wired mouse

@harvee.org

Re: Why Does Cable or Verizon/AT&T Deserve Anything?

said by fensterlips :

We need to think of meaningful solutions, though, not merely vent and spew our sarcasm and anger......
split the service along infrastructure/content lines. leave all last mile lines as regulated (natural) monopoly, let companies compete on providing content to end users. the same split could be applied to cell companies. split on cell towers/dialtone.
DemonChicken

join:2006-10-15
Boon, MI

Good thing this doesn't apply to me

The telcos and cable companies are to cheap to give me service. Even though both of them are huge companies making huge suprpluses of money.

Bob Walters

@verizon.net

I ran out of room & could not finish!

I can only speak from experience. Having a small business and a greater hobby in the audio/video world, I have switched from Westchester cablevision to FIOS[Verizon]. The cable service people could have cared less!! They cut off the service by cutting the coax on the telephone pole an inch from the connection.. I have no problem with that...when you don't care the easiest way is the easiest way! They will just leave the R-59 cable there for the next person who pays for HDTV and can't figure out why it looks just like analog TV! This cable [which I "begged" them to change when I got HDTV from them] still hung from the pole to my house. I called and asked them to get rid of it and the nasty SOB on the phone said it would be a $100.00 charge! I got out the ladder and cut it myself!!!!