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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
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·buckeye cable
| This just in for Cali Customers Press Release:
Comcast has decided that they need to raise rates to offset nonsense lawsuits from people.
Also Comcast does NOT state what is crazy fast Internet speeds are used for; also all speeds are UP TO the key part UP TO!
don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse. | |
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| Re: This just in for Cali Customers said by hottboiinnc  :don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse. Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him.
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Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
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| Re: This just in for Cali Customers the RIAA and the MPAA. I love how people always claim its unlimited and crazy fast downloads for everything. another member on here and i got into it before over RoadRunner who reserves the right to disconnect you the same as Comcast. but RR does it at the ISP level NOT the Operator which is stated right in the RoadRunner ISP Terms of Service, and the AUP; which customers fail to read when they sign up or even before with RoadRunner Internet. | |
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join:2004-01-04
Houston, TX
| Re: This just in for Cali Customers You are funny!
I am using more than 600 Gb per month on average.
I am working from home and upload to the website I manage thousands of photos/videos we have made.
In addition, our contractors post on their servers videos and photos that I have to download and convert to an appropriate format and then post on the Internet.
We are non-profit organization that is working with people with disabilities and we happened to use a lot of traffic to deliver video content to those who cannot leave their houses due to their disability - most of the videos are conferences and events dedicated to SCI people.
So... Should we be worried as well?
We do not use our traffic to download Britney Spears by the way | |
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Cleveland, OH | Re: This just in for Cali Customers at 600gigs a month on Comcast yep! i would be. never know when you're going to get a letter. And its just not funny its serious. They don't take that lightly. | |
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Houston, TX | Re: This just in for Cali Customers I am not with Comcast anymore, thanks god | |
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Betzwood Basement Brewery
join:2001-11-15
King Of Prussia, PA
1 edit | Re: This just in for Cali Customers said by Zoly :I am not with Comcast anymore, thanks god Then what was the point of your statement?
It had nothing at all to do with the topic.
If you are not a Comcast customer, you should not lose sleep over how their internal policies will impact you.
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| Re: This just in for Cali Customers said by Homebrew1994 :If you are not a Comcast customer, you should not lose sleep over how their internal policies will impact you. However, Comcast setting a presedent on net neutrality will. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA | Heaven forbid someone actually used the internet for everything it's being marketed for! | |
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Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
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| said by Zoly :You are funny! I am using more than 600 Gb per month on average. I am working from home and upload to the website I manage thousands of photos/videos we have made. In addition, our contractors post on their servers videos and photos that I have to download and convert to an appropriate format and then post on the Internet. We are non-profit organization that is working with people with disabilities and we happened to use a lot of traffic to deliver video content to those who cannot leave their houses due to their disability - most of the videos are conferences and events dedicated to SCI people. So... Should we be worried as well? We do not use our traffic to download Britney Spears by the way That's only 2.3MB download of speed if it were a 24/7 connection. I use over a terabyte of data transfer a month, but mine is on the business connection so while there are some terms in contract with Comcast about bandwidth fair use, they haven't done anything about this year. It still leaves me to believe that business customers can do whatever they want and the residential customers are the ones that seem to target for letters and restrictions.
I'm done BT test by letting BT go wide open unlimited on both upload and download for weeks at a time. It's speed never seems to drop and no letters or even calls from Comcast since I seem to be maxing my speed as much as possible. | |
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Encino, CA
| said by Zoly :You are funny! I am using more than 600 Gb per month on average. Legit purposes or not, I'm surprised your ISP hasn't "moved" you to a business tier. You're way past "casual" or even "media-savvy" with that kinda usage. | |
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join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
| Re: This just in for Cali Customers said by Thaler :said by Zoly :You are funny! I am using more than 600 Gb per month on average. Legit purposes or not, I'm surprised your ISP hasn't "moved" you to a business tier. You're way past "casual" or even "media-savvy" with that kinda usage. If he is on dsl then nothing will happen to him. | |
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ME
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Cleveland, OH | Re: This just in for Cali Customers If i was his HSI ISP i would move him to a business tier no matter if he had cable or DSL. That bandwidth is always paid for by the ISP. | |
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Why did you give us all that information about disabled people? Are you trying to say you deserve special treatment because you deal with disabled people? In the end, you should be paying the business price since you are using the connection for commercial purposes. If you are on residential, you should expect them to at least ask you if you are conducting business over that connection. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him. The psychic friends network telco shill division has been watching you quite closely. I have it on good word from the CEO that he would like very much for you to submit your application for employment as well. It is very difficult to find induhviduals of your exceptional psychic abilities. Please don't delay...submit your app today. | |
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Say What?
join:2001-07-21
Tacoma, WA
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by hottboiinnc :don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse. Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him. | |
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mpelle4456
Say What?
join:2001-07-21
Tacoma, WA | The shills are out in force today.
So how much does Comcast pay you guys to bad-mouth people on their behalf?
A nice little something to augment your retirement, I'll bet! | |
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| Re: This just in for Cali Customers this is in line with what i was thinking.
it's not okay that comcast shapes traffic, regardless of the program. the defense that comcast is preventing theft is a terrible argument. the power company doesn't regulate how it utilize my power, nor do i answer to how i use my water; i just have to pay more, the more i use. oh, and that's clearly stated in my bill too! | |
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join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| Re: This just in for Cali Customers I don't usually defend Comcast, but it's perfectly within their right to do this. It falls under "reasonable network management", as p2p apps DO use a lot of bandwidth.
Still, I do hope Comcast is forced into publicly admitting that they do, in fact, shape their traffic, even though I know it won't happen. | |
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MemphisPCGuy
Senior Systems Engineer
Premium
join:2004-05-09
Memphis, TN
·Comcast
| Re: This just in for Cali Customers The problem is, if I use BT for the very first time ever I am going to be throttled as much as someone that has had it runnin 24/7 for 3 years. They need to limit users, not the network.
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
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| Re: This just in for Cali Customers Yes; they should limit the entire network and not just users. Its not fair if its per user. Its fair if its for the entire network. For example it wouldnt be fair for you to get to use BT for what ever you want as fast as your connection would let you just because you're new to BT and if i used it and was for the last 3+ years to be limited. Just isnt fair and they'd have the same problem as they do now.
Do it and make it fair; which they are doing with the limits. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | When the metered usage topic is discussed, all of the naysayers come out en masse to defend their rights as poor customers and how metered service is anti-consumer. Ironic... | |
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Premium
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Knoxville, TN | Looks like the shills for other providers are also out in force. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| said by TKJunkMail :said by hottboiinnc :don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse. Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him. Oh yes please let them do it.
Then the guy can completely own them for violating his privacy. If Crapcast really wants to lose the suit I encourage them to do that. | |
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ME
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Cleveland, OH | Re: This just in for Cali Customers Just attach the matter of national security to it and bam! its in favor of Comcast. anything can be a matter of National security. | |
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
| Re: This just in for Cali Customers said by hottboiinnc :Just attach the matter of national security to it and bam! its in favor of Comcast. anything can be a matter of National security. Heheh, too many people took the remote out thier rears ...
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Los Angeles, CA | Is that an official statement on behalf of comcast? Just asking for clarification.
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Encino, CA
| said by TKJunkMail :Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him. Would a lawsuit be OK then?
Yeesh. I use P2P for legit purposes. If RIAA is indeed interested in my distros, indy music, demos, patches, etc...they're more than free on my line to have that information.
Personally, I'd be more upset at Comcast for providing me a gimpy internet connection, and would take my money elsewhere. But, watching this guy take it to court seems more interesting. | |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| They started with Bittorrent because it is commonly used for copyright-infringing sharing. This is a kind of smokescreen for getting a foot in the door against neutrality. It's the thin end of the wedge.
The irrelevant copyright noise distracts from the fact that they're deliberately sabotaging customers' communications, in a way that is unnecessary for controlling bandwidth use, and unlrelated to whether the particular victims are using a lot or a little.
They're relying on paid or unpaid shills like you to sneer and snipe at file-sharers. But if ISPs can get this abuse of customers accepted, the next encroachment on neutral traffic carriage will be something else. Eventually they'll be charging extra fees for not slowing your connections to sites and services you prefer - you'll have to pay extra to access non-ISP-affiliated sites and services as easily as those which have paid the highway robber's tolls to your ISP.
Maybe when all the all the ISPs in your area impose policies like this, you won't be so sanctimonious. Some of us don't take that long to catch on to what's wrong with this picture. | |
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application specific
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join:2001-05-17
Wakulla, FL
clubs: | Re: This just in for Cali Customers ^^^ What he said. I am however a simple minded redneck, and cannot put it so nicely. | |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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·Comcast
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| said by swhx7 :They started with Bittorrent because it is commonly used for copyright-infringing sharing. This is a kind of smokescreen for getting a foot in the door against neutrality. They started out with P2P because it presents the biggest problem to the network in terms of constant utilization. Comcast is currently only limiting uploads from P2P programs -- this has nothing to do with the content whatsoever, it's purely the traffic profile. In particular finite vs infinite transfers.
When you download content your transfers have a finite duration: the amount of time it takes for all of the bits of the file to be transmitted to your computer. Even in the case of P2P programs, when you are downloading a file once you have all of the parts you don't download the file anymore.
On the upload side, however, you will continue to seed the content for as long as your P2P client is up and running. This represents what basically amounts to infinite transfer, which doesn't work very well in statistically muxed shared bandwidth networks like that of broadband services.
The example I used in another thread is this: Billy tags up some DRM-free openly distributed music content he wishes to have before school. While Billy is at school the content is downloaded in say ~45 minutes, but for the entire 7-9 hours that Billy is gone the client will continue saturating his upstream capacity to deliver that content to others. That's why upstream usage is the bigger problem.
I'm sure the various providers would be happy to build you a 1:1 non-oversubscribed service if this type of traffic were going to be common for everyone going forward. One should, however, expect the costs to be vastly more than you're paying now as dedicated bandwidth infrastructure is not cheap. | |
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Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: This just in for Cali Customers I wouldn't object if Comcast was restraining bandwidth for Billy in particular when and only when he was saturating the upload and impinging on neighbors' ability to use the network.
The actual practice differs in these respects:
* They don't single out Billy the infinite uploader; they interfere as soon as he starts seeding, even if he's just going up to the 1:1 ratio which is good behavior in bittorrent-land.
* They don't even look at bandwidth or traffic; they disrupt all bittorrent seeding to non-Comcast peers, regardless of traffic amount.
* They're forging packets.
There are neutrality-respecting solutions to the excess-traffic issue. Comcast has chosen a discriminatory practice to pave the way for other scams if they get away with this one. | |
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Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
·Comcast
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| said by espaeth :said by swhx7 :They started with Bittorrent because it is commonly used for copyright-infringing sharing. This is a kind of smokescreen for getting a foot in the door against neutrality. They started out with P2P because it presents the biggest problem to the network in terms of constant utilization. Ah, but you can only know this because you have inside information. But you're still a far and impartial judge. Wow, I'm so gullible. Comcast is currently only limiting uploads from P2P programs
Uh, NO! That's FALSE. They're limiting downloads too. One comcast user's blocked upload would sometimes be another comcast user's download, were it not for comcast's fraud it insists on continuing to perpetrate.
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join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by hottboiinnc :don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse. Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him. If I was Comcast, I'd cancel this jerk's service, turn over his "activities" to the RIAA and MPAA, and let them sue this moron into oblivion.
The lawsuit has absolutely NO merit. By the way, the lawyer is an idiot. He has to PROVE his activity was legal to even succeed in this case. By the way idiot lawyer, class actions ARE FEDERAL NOT STATE! Miss that LAW?
Comcast should seek dismissal, massive attorney's fees, and sanctions for bringing a "class action" into the WRONG COURT!
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Dan
Hamilton Tigers?
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Eh?
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| How can bittorrent become a maintream, legal, legit distribution medium when the people who run the internet networks, also control their own distribution medium?
The can easily stop a competitor (in the forms of bittorent).
Torrent technology won't even have a chance to jump to the mainstream, because every MEGA CORP ISP realizes it jeporadizes their main income flow. | |
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footballdude
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| said by TKJunkMail :Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. You are probably correct. Comcast, though, is deliberately enticing guys like this onto their higher speed (and higher priced) services, then throttling their connections. They know full well that a heavy percentage of upper tier connection customers are heavy bittorrent users but they are trying to have it both ways. I think they can control traffic on their network any way they wish, but they can't advertise high speed downloads then put the brakes on those downloads without risking a false advertising suit.
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yock
TFTC
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Fairfield, OH
| said by TKJunkMail :said by hottboiinnc :don't like it take your money else wear. I'm sure Comcast would be happy to get rid of you. This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse. Yes, the guy is probably pissed because he can't steal all the music he wants as fast as he wants. So he sues. Comcast should go thru all his connection logs, turn it over to the RIAA and sic them on him. Which may be true, but it's an irrelevant, ad-hominem attack on the plaintiff. How he uses his connection is irrelevant to the legal question of whether or not Comcast is truthfully representing their products. | |
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join:2007-08-19
| said by hottboiinnc :[...] This also is probably a customer who has been sent a letter for abuse. And you would know this how? The psychic friends network will be happy to consider you for employment. In the meantime, stop flapping yer yap over subject matter you obviously have no clue as to what you're talking about. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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| said by hottboiinnc :Press Release: don't like it take your money else wear. I hope you meant 'elsewhere'.
Comcast might 'wear' something out.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | The ivy league schools, consumer groups, and now ordinary citizens dont like what they are doing (enough to sue.)
This should go well with the 4.6 billion $ fine(s) the FCC could levy ... | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Re: This just in for Cali Customers You couldnt put a fine on this. It would fall under network management. They have the right to manage their network at a reasonable set to keep services level across the board. Why should one person on a node get to take the entire bandwidth from everyone else by using P2P or BT? They shouldnt and Comcast as the right to manage that traffic. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
| Re: This just in for Cali Customers If the people using P2p or BT are over thier bandwidth limit, then operate according to the TOS and warn and/or boot them.
I've used blizzards BT client and its really really slow, very low bandwidth. I also use joost, again, very low bandwidth, and way way under what any usage caps would be.
Dont block a platform just cause some people abuse it, boot them off the dam network. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: This just in for Cali Customers said by gaforces :Dont block a platform just cause some people abuse it, boot them off the dam network. Wow, I actually agree with one of your comments to a certain extent. I say certain extent because Comcast isn't outright blocking P2P. Anyway, I agree that Comcast's first management tactic should be to establish caps and boot offenders...or meter their service and charge them more. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA
| I'm sure they would be happy to get rid of a customer that is fighting them. AND? They've gotten away with saying "Up to" for so long... That's not really any guarentee. I know, home cable modem service has no SLA and this is a "best effort" service. Well, that's not really going to encourage Comcast to improve much is it? Let's see how this plays out before making judgements on either side. | |
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join:2005-08-19
Vancouver, WA
| FOLKS - This is about Net Neutrality aka "Will there be carpool lanes on the internet?" Maybe we should have an internet caste system based on class, income or race? OF COURSE NOT!!!!!!!
I had a brain injury years ago and my life as computer tech as virtually come to an end along with the income flow of working 7 days a week. The ability to buy a local telco exchange line via Skype (which uses P2P net technology) for fractions of what it would cost to have a local line via the phone company has helped me BRIDGE the 'digital divide.' This past summer I started having consistent Skype difficulties not experienced in the past and never so frequent; Calls dropped after 2 or 20 minutes really with no consistency, quality problems with folks not being able to hear me. So if you take all this one step further the issue of unfair business practice and violation of consumer code law is NOT a stretch. Will my Skype service become so unstable that my only option besides a cell phone would be comcast phone service? i.e. If you use brand X for phone service your cost is Y but brand S cost Y + Z
One other comment for those holier then thou types - Have you payed the local or state taxes on all those geek toys you bought over the internet? NO - then keep your pie-hole shut please because it smells of hypocrisy. | |
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My views are my own.
Premium
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| Re: Hear Ye, Hear Ye - To all the high and mighty types! When Skype is classified as a "phone service" then I'd be happy to discuss it.. but it's not "phone" service. There are plenty of actual VOIP provider choices.. you aren't limited to cell or CDV. You also have land line from Ma Bell and you have a number of real VoIP providers to chose from as well.
I DO agree that a service like Skype doesn't need to be messed with.. my only point is based on your labeling of Skype as a "phone service"... to me, skype is nothing more than Yahoo voice chat.
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gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
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join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
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| Re: Hear Ye, Hear Ye - To all the high and mighty types! What I think is a server, really doesn't matter. It's what the isp meant when they designed the tos in the first place.
Many applications can have server like functions, but I don't think most people would consider them a server.
When I think of a server, I think of a mail server, or a web server, or an ftp server, an irc server, and other such well known "servers" Again, you'd have to ask the isp in question, just what they mean by server. Maybe the term is broad so when issues like this come up, they can say, yeah, we meant that application too.
The whole debate about the network being owned by the isp, is something else I disagree with. Without the end users, paying their bills, and having the desire to use it, there would be no network. At best, the isp is the custodian of the network. And in this example, they are doing something with the network, the people who use and pay for, aren't happy with.
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My views are my own.
Premium
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| Re: Hear Ye, Hear Ye - To all the high and mighty types! People at one time thought that IRC wasn't really a server either... Sure, some people will believe that if it's run in a home private network or on a PC that it's not a server - but it is just as is the IIS server on Windows XP. It's not what it runs on or where it runs, it's the service that it provides.
As for the debate over the network being owned by the ISP.. there is no debate.. that's open and closed.. you rent, buy access, to THEIR network. If I rent a hotel room, I am allowed the use of it.. I don't own it. If I lease a vehicle, I don't even own it.. I have a right to use it. When my lease is up, it goes back to the owner of the vehicle which is the leasing company. The hotel I stay is goes back to the hotel owner and your ISP retains rights to their network.
Honestly, to say the least, your notion that the people who use and pay for it are the owners is silly. COMCAST pays for the network.. they make money by letting other people use it. I could give you millions of examples where you are wrong there and a couple where you'd be right.. that is that if you are a share holder of the company, you own a small portion of it.. and the only rights those people have is to sell or gain a profit they are deserved. Or, in the case of a credit union, you own a small share of it. But an ISP? Come on... When the network goes down, since you own it, should they send you a repair bill to replace a Node? seems fair if they are just the custodian of it and you are one of the millions of owners. 
You are right about people not buying the service.. the day people stop buying is the day the company either sells itself or goes bankrupt.
I'm not meaning to insult you on this, but I'm guessing you are pretty young, right?
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join:2002-12-04
USA
| fiberguy, no offense to you but it should be up to the consumer as to what they want to use without the provider being a problem and throttling. To Joe6 Pack at the level of abstraction that he sees it, Skype is the same as Ma Bell, as Charter Phone, Comcast phone, Packet8, Vonage, & CallVantage... They talk to people with it...
To add to that:
DirecTV, Cox, Comcast, Charter, Verizon, AT&T deliver video service
DSL Extreme, AOL, TWC, WOW, Comcast, AT&T, WildBlue, etc deliver "the internet" or are the dumb data pipe...
The old labels do NOT work in the 21st century... That's what we've got to get away from... Well, except for the people who like it the way it was... | |
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uid1307457
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join:2005-12-30
Tempe, AZ | n WTG man!
i dont illegal DL stuff, but being throttled would make me mad
btw my dsl suxs ...
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gatorkram
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join:2002-07-22
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| Good for him I hope he not only wins his case, but I hope it shows all the other internet providers, that they shouldn't degrade and hamper our connections.
They shouldn't be selling services they can't provide, and then get upset when someone uses that service how they wish.
I know it makes me angry, when I have issues trying to share back what I download with my WoW background downloading software. It really pisses me off.
And to all you idiots out there, for whatever reason support the internet providers, just go to hell, and save your time, and don't bother to post your stupid views, because we who are pro consumer don't want to see them.
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Discounts This guy most likely won't get anything but a long drawn out court case and a 15% or something discount from Comcast for services. He should read his AUP and TOS to see what he agreed to before actually using the service. | |
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
| Hope he wins Good. I hope he wins, Comcast should NOT be able to block what users do with THEIR connection.
If the AA's want the person bad enough then they'll go after them, having a ISP "limiting" a users connection is NOT the answer.
And for the 44432454546 time not ALL torrent traffic is illegal.
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ZZZDIE
join:2007-09-14
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | Comcast should countersue ...for breach of contract. if you don't read it, don't sign it. | |
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join:2004-07-21
Eugene, OR | Re: Comcast should countersue Im going to bet you didnt read the fine print either. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Please find anyone who signed a contract when getting cable internet? These implied contracts are not enforceable. When your a monopoly, you can't force people into once sided contracts just to receive service. | |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| Good The only regret is Comcast will have to pay the lawyers for defense. To bad we do not have loser pays. I do not see a case . The guy was violating Comcast TOS. Aft that I hope Comcast gets some back bone and send a tech and remove the cable for this guy premises.
Of course, I wonder if can I sue any Bit torrent losers for messing up my connection. No that will be a case. | |
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A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
1 edit | Re: Reset! DSL doesnt throttle BT traffic, or even enforce these crapcast rules..................
am i missing something here??? | |
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World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
·Sprint Broadband D..
| 1. Build consumer network. 2. Sell the hell out of it. Keep raising prices incrementally.
3. Avoid upgrading the infrastructure to reflect the selling of the hell out of it and the capacities that it needs.
4. Blame the users for actually using the network connection they contracted for. Cut services when they do use it.
5. Remember to blame "Child Porn" whenever possible.
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join:2006-06-23
Dallas, GA
·Charter Pipeline
1 edit | Re: 1. Build consumer network. Charter is the best, don't have this problem. they even tried stopping the RIAA back in early 2000 from getting there customers names and several other providers did the same as well.
i can see this guy winning. He's paying for speed and his getting knocked back down to all most nothing. Even though ToS says he could be penalized, he's paying for service he's not getting. And that's the main point more than likely of the lawsuit.
Think about it, you pay for a gallon of gas and they water it down and it cause you problems, would you not sue the corner store??? | |
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dunworkin
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join:2006-12-18
Bellflower, CA | Re: 1. Build consumer network. How about you buy a gallon of gas but can't get it because another guy is hogging the pump? | |
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join:2006-06-23
Dallas, GA
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| Re: 1. Build consumer network. said by dunworkin :How about you buy a gallon of gas but can't get it because another guy is hogging the pump? Oh you mean like after Katrina? totally different | |
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join:2002-12-04
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1 edit | Re: 1. Build consumer network. said by joker5656 :said by dunworkin :How about you buy a gallon of gas but can't get it because another guy is hogging the pump? Oh you mean like after Katrina? totally different Been there, done that. There was plenty of gas where I was, you just had to wait in line. Then there were the PRICE GOUGING gas stations. Their credit card machines were down **wink, wink** and they were only taking cash! | |
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jjoshua
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join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ | This isn't going away Discovery should provide us with useful information.
Comcast forges packets. This goes beyond reasonable network management. IMHO, this is illegal. | |
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join:2006-06-23
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·Charter Pipeline
| Re: This isn't going away said by jjoshua :Discovery should provide us with useful information. Comcast forges packets. This goes beyond reasonable network management. IMHO, this is illegal. i agree, that's false impersonation/identity theft | |
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MM2 Corbski
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join:2003-01-27
Japan
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| a bedtime prayer... Dear God,
I know I haven't talked to you in a while, but I feel the desire to now, and I'm hoping it's not to late.
God, I've been reading the replies to this news item, and well, I've come down with a really bad case of what I like to call milk-in-nose. Add the milk-in-nose to the incessant guffaws I've come down with, and you'll see that breathing is next to impossible. My sides are hurting from the lawyer want-to-be's claiming this, that, and the other, and all the ISP picketers claiming otherwise. And to top it off, my eyes are watering to the point where it's become difficult to see!
God, I'm at wits end here. I just can't stop this. I realize I haven't been the best person, but I'm asking for your help here. Please, God, help me out.
Amen.
P.S. Oh yea, "teh internetz is kewl, and say hai 2 Jesus 4 me! WP!"
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join:2007-07-31
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join:2003-06-16
Preston, CT
| Re: downloaditis It is not specific to large users. The operating system I am using was downloaded via bittorrent, yet I was unable to upload to people after my download stopped. I was affected even though my area has had docsis 2.0 for a while now (thank you Adelphia) and I download less than 1 gig/ month via BT. Comcast is forging packets to prevent uploading and that is not network management. If they were to kick off the bandwidth hogs, that would be fine, but to forge packets to block all torrents from uploading from all of their customers is wrong. | |
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San Francisco, CA
1 edit | Re: downloaditis Thank you so kindly for responding. I mean that. I can understand that you aren't happy. I guess I am in another world cuz my OS (vista) came with my new computer. I can say from the network that I am managing as a favor has a heavy load on it from lots of bit torrent traffic and the person who pays the ISP bill is too thrifty to upgrade it or get a separate one. | |
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elvey
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join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA | Re: downloaditis Sorry, but there's no comcast account that you can upgrade to to get a real Internet connection. All their services come with comcast monitoring your traffic and forging packets to shut down communications when they feel like it. | |
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@comcast.net
| Wireshark exposes Comcast Get the freeware program wireshark. hook up to a bitorrent and watch wireshark show all the reset commands being sent by comcast to your computer. The Program even identifies sometimes the ip address of the comcast server sending out the termination command. I pointed this out to a technician who took all the info but never heard back from him. I wonder why? This program exposes Comcast for the lying bastards that they are. Denying this when faced with facts from AP and wireshark. And they continue to lie. I hope they have to pay heavy fines for disruppting the free flow of info over the inernet and sending bogus messages to your computer. | |
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frost203
join:2005-09-17
| Thank U It about time someone got the balls and money to sue, while people say just change ISP's. thats not the point ISPs get my hard earned money from gov subsidies to provide a network, then market the pipe to me an "unlimitd", "fast" ect... then they pull this crap. Hell somebodies got step up and at least give us a voice in it. On behalf of myself and all those that think we've been lied to, Thank you Jon Hart | |
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| If Comcast and other ISP's wanted to..... improve their network efficiency, they'd make their email
use a challenge key. For instance, those funky graphics
where the characters are all twisted about, readable by a
human but not a computer.
In order to send this message, please enter the 5 digits
shown in the graphic. The amount of spam would drop.
All I know is, if I send something to another PC I expect
it to get there in the form I sent it, unaltered.
That's just my take on it.
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