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Comments on news posted 2007-11-16 13:22:24: As if cable providers weren't worried about FiOS already, Verizon last month unveiled symmetrical 20Mbps FiOS service, which takes direct aim at a cable broadband marketing weak spot: upstream bandwidth. ..
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI | a marketing slogan is needed here... 20/20, Can You See Us Now?  | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: a marketing slogan is needed here... said by birdfeedr  :20/20, Can You See Us Now? Nope. can't say i do.
no love for us in qwestland 
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| gar8182
Premium
join:2004-02-18
Seattle, WA
1 edit | When, Dear God, When... will I see it available in the Ballard area of Seattle???
I'd drop comcrap in a New York minute!! | |
| Synbios
join:2002-05-18
Worcester, MA
 ·Charter Pipeline
| FiOS needs to expand throughout the entire towns/cities... I live in the City of Boston. 1.5 miles from my house, people have had one of the first batches of FiOS. But yet, Verizon still has not brought fiber to my neighborhood. I've been waiting for a while (at least a year?), and I'd really like to get 20/20Mbps. Now the people down the street from me are going to have 20/20Mbps while I'm stuck with Comcast at 8/768kbps...
Why can't they expand throughout the entire city!?! | |
| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY | drop asymmetric drop asymmetric tiers.
15, 20, 50, 100mbit at the lowest heard of prices.. no pricing premiums for symmetric speeds - 2008 - | |
| tpower
join:2001-03-28
Snellville, GA
 ·Vonage
| DSL/Cable Could...... If the cable companies and other Telcos such as AT&T would change their motto, and upgrade the infrastructure they could compete less expensively than running fiber. I agree FTTH is the way to go, but AT&T, Qwest, Comcast and Time Warners current motto seems to be legislate and litigate instead of innovate.
Cable Providers could offer this speed technically.....
Docsis 2.0 is capable of 38Mbit/s down and 28Mbit/s upload.
Docsis 3.0 is capable of 152Mbit/s down and 108Mbit/s upload
So ... technically Cable Companies such as Time Warner and Comca$t could offer with Docsis 2.0 with 28mbit symmetrical and Docsis 3.0 108mbit symmetrical.
The Copper DSL Carriers could compete using copper if they would upgrade the DSLAMS.
VDSL2:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDSL2
ITU-T G.993.2 (VDSL2) is an enhancement to G.993.1 (VDSL) that permits the transmission of asymmetric and symmetric (Full-Duplex) aggregate data rates up to 200 Mbit/s on twisted pairs using a bandwidth up to 30 MHz.
LR-VDSL2 enabled systems are capable of supporting speeds of around 1-4 Mbit/s (downstream) over distances of 4 to 5 km, gradually increasing the bit rate up to symmetric 100 Mbit/s as loop-length shortens.
ADSL2+
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADSL2%2B
ADSL2+ extends the capability of basic ADSL by doubling the number of downstream bits. The data rates can be as high as 24 Mbit/s downstream and 1 Mbit/s upstream depending on the distance from the DSLAM to the customer's home.
ADSL2+ is capable of doubling the frequency band of typical ADSL connections from 1.1 MHz to 2.2 MHz. This doubles the downstream data rates of the previous ADSL2 standard of up to 12 Mbit/s, but like the previous standards will degrade from its peak bitrate after a certain distance.
ITU G.992.5 Annex M (ADSL 2 Annex M)
The main difference between this specification and ITU G.992.5 (ADSL2+) is that the upstream/downstream frequency split has been shifted from 138kHz up to 276kHz, allowing upstream bandwidth to be increased from 1 Mbit/s to 3.5 Mbit/s.
ADSL2 Annex L is also known as RE-ADSL2, where 'RE' stands for 'Reach Extended.' With this ADSL standard, the power of the lower frequencies used for transmitting data is boosted up to increase the reach of this signal up to 7 kilometers (23,000 ft). The upper frequency limit for RE-ADSL2 is reduced to 552 kHz to keep the total power roughly the same as annex A. Since RE-ADSL2 is intended for use on long loops there isn't much (any) usable bandwidth above 552 kHz anyway. Although this standard has been ratified by the ITU, not all local loop network maintainers allow this protocol to be used on their network. | |
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tardo
@clemson.edu |  SC?
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| Cyber2lz
join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL
| 5/2 to 20/5 Upgraded last month and had to buy a new gigabit Router.
I live in the stix of West Central Florida and this sh!t ROX.
Even when my six month promo is up, it's just $50!
Now I can crush my corp VPN with a single file xfer.
Livin' large on the light pipe!
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J3ff2
@optonline.net
| Just got Fios for business in Greenwich CT. Got the 35 down, 10 up, static setup, comes in at 200 a month, but that's ok, because now we can dump 2 T1's that were something to the tune of 320 a month EACH!
It was only just installed an hour before I left work yesterday, but let me say, from start to finish it is obvious that Verizon has invested a ton of money into Fios and they REALLY want it sold.
I have NEVER ever had such a great experience with people showing up on time (even early!) or receiving phone calls about my install date, etc. We had at least 4 guys out before the appointment just to help us decide how we want it setup.
Our building is about 2000 feet from the road so they even brought in the engineering team. Crazy Sh1t | |
| | | Wraith1283
join:2002-11-30
West Hempstead, NY
| Re: Ok..so.. Honestly just because you dont have a need to use it doesn't mean other people do not have a use. I do not have a use for the service so I will not order it. I will stick to my 5 Mb/s up and 20 Mb/s down and pay the $49.99 a month they charge me. I'm just glad Verizon is trying to do something different in the broadband business and not just "traffic shape" like comcrap does. | |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: 
| Re: Ok..so.. I didn't say that some might not have a use for it.
For some, it might make perfect sense to go with.
I just don't see it as being right though to present it as being better than what Comcast offers. For some, it might be rather foolish to go with, considering the added cost and fact that they would actually be lowering their dl speeds many times instead.
What it is, is a specialized product and should be both viewed and presented in that manner.
Personally, I'd go with the package you have instead..the 20/5 package. That's really more along the lines of what should be compared to the cable providers instead.
But, it should also be noted that you too pay more for it than we do on Comcast. That too is reflected in the higher ul speeds though...but still..the 49.95 seems like a reasonable price.
As for comcast..I just ran a speedtest and am seeing 29,205/1791 for speeds right now on that.
If that is "traffic shaping"..and "comcrap" in your or others eyes....then all I can say is..give me more of it.
It's a great value..and a great service..
and well worth the 42.95 month price I pay.
And, I fully expect that when docsis 3.0 starts rolling out in 2008..it will only keep on getting better from there.
Bottom line is..it's nice we all have choices. But I'm not really quite sure I get all the fios hoopla going around.
Comcast has been doing fiber for 10 years now..not one.
And their network has plenty of it.
All Verizon is really trying to do is to catch up and compete and it's great that in certain areas..they're now able to do that.
Comcast's CEO has already demo'd 150Mb speeds however on this very network..and I sure wouldn't be counting them out..nor their response to this in the months ahead.
Would I switch If I had great comcast service to an unknown?
Not on your life.
I simply don't see the benefit..nor am I interested in raising my price by 63%.
Some may feel that's worth it to them..and again..to them I say it's nice to have that choice.
But I'm not so sure it's the way to go.
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| | | | SGR
Premium
join:2003-05-19
Lutherville Timonium, MD
clubs:
1 edit | Re: Ok..so.. Rick, its a bit misleading to say you have faster speeds than FiOS because of powerboost. Powerboost only works for a few seconds in the beginning of a download and depends strongly on the traffic of the node. You might hit 2MB/s during off peak times but it'll only last seconds. Otherwise you'll be at 8Mbit. (If you're one of the select few markets you might be at 16Mbit) The same is true for your upload and upload powerboost is only available in select areas. Otherwise you're at 768 or 1Mbit. You also have issues with bittorrent and if you download too much in a given period you're threatened with termination yet offered no information on how to stay away from being terminated other than stop downloading what you *think* is a lot. Obviously these leads to people being terminated because they *think* they stopped downloading a lot when in fact Comcast thought otherwise.
Meanwhile with FiOS we're at a constant 15Mbit or 20Mbit which is about 2MB/s. This speed is constant, and will never slow down even if our files are 5GB+. Our uploads are currently 2Mbit which is double your fastest upload speed tier. When Monday rolls around we'll also have 15Mbit or 20Mbit uploads which will pretty much blow away anything away offered by cable for months, if not years, to come. We also have the option of upgrading to even higher tiers like 30, 35, or 50Mbit tiers if needed. As of right now we don't have caps and our downloads aren't being messed with when using bittorent.
Verizon isn't playing catch up, they are leading the pack by a significant amount when it comes to their Internet service. The only way you can claim Verizon is playing catch up is via its TV service, which I would then have to agree with you on. Otherwise FiOS is the best of the best and is rather evident by the amount of people simply wishing they had it and the reviews of it on this site. | |
| | | | JohnA
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA |
Speedtest archives show Verizon is testing 100/50 in New York. Comcast up to that? | |
| | | | | tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Re: Ok..so.. said by JohnA :Speedtest archives show Verizon is testing 100/50 in New York. Comcast up to that? A better question would be: are Time Warner and Cablevision up to the task? Of course the pricetag would have to be around the $99-$129 price range (with symmetrical 20mbit getting DIRT CHEAP in 2008-- $40 when bundled w/ voice or video, $50 when not).
:-P | |
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medianas
@comcast.net
| Re: Ok..so.. But Rick, were paying 75/mo for 8m/768k from comcast in the south florida area where Verizon is not available...
(yeah yeah their site says its 60, but then they aren't showing taxes and other hidden fees that they throw in)
Id rather have 15mb service for 70/mo, that's cheaper than comcast here... | |
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