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Point 1: I am NOT for universities playing traffic cop at all!
Point 2: I would like to see the educational penalties BEFORE the bill is approved however. |
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TKJunkMail
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|  Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy
Schools that ignore rampant piracy thru their school's computer networks should be penalized. They have the ability to firewall their systems(just like any corporation does). And failure to do so should be taken in to account when gov't funding is handed out. |
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Millenniumle
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Re: Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy
The same can be said of ISP's. |
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said by TKJunkMail  :Schools that ignore rampant piracy thru their school's computer networks should be penalized. They have the ability to firewall their systems(just like any corporation does). And failure to do so should be taken in to account when gov't funding is handed out. I completely disagree. Schools, and ISP's for that matter, have no business policing the traffic that passes through their networks any more than makers of alcohol have a responsibility to ensure that no one that consumes their products proceeds to climb behind the steering wheel of a car afterwards. That's what law enforcement is for, plain and simple.
Further, I take issue with how you trivialize the process involved in tracking P2P offenders; just because an institution has a firewall doesn't mean the activities of their users are trackable in any easy way. In my experience, a great deal of effort has to be made when reacting to DMCA complaints. The original complaint has to be documented, and responded to. The DHCP logs have to be searched for a user corresponding to the dates the supposed infringement took place. The user has to be contacted. The original complainant has to be notified that you have warned the supposed infringer. This cycle goes on and on endlessly, and is why larger ISP's now have entire departments dedicated to nothing but responding to DMCA complaints. Schools would have to expand their IT departments, and who is going to pay for that? Why should the honest students be forced to subsidize DMCA investigations when they're already (over)paying ridiculous tuition costs?
We have law enforcement agencies for a reason.
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With the cost of gas rising, with tuition rates skyrocketing, and I'm sure the cost of beer has increased too over the past 10 years, this won't matter anyway. If piracy ended 100% right now, the RIAA would not see that big of an increase of revenue. There are more important things to spend money on.
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Re: Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy
While they are at it, how about raiding the dorm rooms of students suspected of the underage consumption of alcohol. Let's start requiring drug tests before enrollment, since that's what corporations do. And better start locking up those evildoers that kidnap the opponent's mascot before the homecoming game. Hey, textbooks are copyrighted aren't they? We better stop any of those BAD kids from giving their textbook to a friend who has the class next semester. In fact, let's Deputize all of the prof's, and any student suspected of peeking at another students paper during an exam could be hauled away to do 10-20, like they deserve. THEY ARE OUR GODDAMN CHILDREN, AND OUR FUTURE. THEY ARE KIDS!! They make the wrong choice more often than even adults, which is sometimes hard to believe.
No, this law is even better, we will punish ALL of the little creeps, not just the ones who have committed the heinous crime of letting a friend listen to music they enjoy. I guess you never went to college, because if you did you would remember that we all recorded our vinyl onto cassettes and shared them. Otherwise I would have listened to the same 10 albums for four years. I lived on $25 spending money, per week, for 4 years. That included groceries. My first two years I earned that money by being a night watchman in a woman's dorm, one night a week from midnight till 7 AM, and one night a week from midnight till 3 AM. Then I went to class the next day. My last two years I earned that money by grading homework, sometimes for classes I was currently taking. Give these kids a break!
This is, without a doubt, the stupidest, greediest, most short-sighted bill that I have ever heard of, in my life. And they have the unmitigated gall of calling it the "College Opportunity and Affordability Act of 2007".
"Such an extraordinarily inappropriate and punitive outcome would result in all students on that campus losing their federal financial aid--including Pell grants and student loans that are essential to their ability to attend college, advance their education, and acquire the skills necessary to compete in the 21st-century economy," a letter from university officials to Congress written on Wednesday said. "Lower-income students, those most in need of federal financial aid, would be harmed most under the entertainment industry's proposal."
The letter was signed by the chancellor of the University of Maryland system, the president of Stanford University, the general counsel of Yale University, and the president of Penn State. |
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26 | reply to texans20
Re: Stay the Course
Exactly. I would be willing to bet that 90-95% of pirated music would not of been a purchase if it wasn't free. |
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said by texans20 :With the cost of gas rising, with tuition rates skyrocketing, and I'm sure the cost of beer has increased too over the past 10 years, this won't matter anyway. If piracy ended 100% right now, the RIAA would not see that big of an increase of revenue. There are more important things to spend money on. Then the RIAA would find something else to go after.
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Siryak
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Re: Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy
You're right! They should just hire a person to sit and watch each and every person that uses the internet to make sure he is not pirating music!(sarcasm)
It is not the Universities job to fight the RIAA's battles. |
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grandpinaple
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Re: Pathetic Attempt of Corporations
SCANDALOUS. |
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backness
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Re: Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy
furthermore it might not even be legal..
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_freedom |
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| Academic freedom is all about free speech. It isn't about stealing music or videos.
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| said by backness :please go back and read the first line Here is the 1st line, and I read it the 1st time:
Academic Freedom is the freedom of teachers, students, and academic institutions to pursue knowledge wherever it may lead, without undue or unreasonable interference. Stopping copyright infringement(stealing) isn't undue or unreasonable interference.
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Nightshade
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Actually, most universities and colleges do have firewalls in place. I know mine does. Still, it is not the responsibility of the colleges to play traffic cops with the students on their network. On top of that they don't have the resources to even do so. At best, they have the resources to do passive enforcement of their network and it's the best way to do it given that there may be thousands of students on the network at any given time.
All this does is burden the students more with higher costs because they are the ones who will be paying for the extra resources the public universities and colleges will be forced to do when they have to monitor every student that access their network and watch everything that they do.
Oh, and comparing corporations to non-profit organizations, as most public colleges and universities are, is like comparing apples to oranges. |
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Why should school networks be held to a higher standard than any other network provider?
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