INeedMoreUpload
@cuny.edu | Interesting...
I'm happy someone in our forums beat the big boys to it. But, what does this hold for the future? |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests
Yet another case that demonstrates the EFF is the only thing standing between Internet censorship/throttling/blocking by the corporately consolidated providers and the consumer. If not for EFF, the entire Internet in the Western Hemisphere would be controlled by AT*T and Verizon. |
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gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
Premium
join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
clubs:
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| My ISP does it too...
I have used wireshark a few times to verify that my isp is also sending out the RST packets, blocking unencrypted upstream seeding.
What we need now, is an automated site and script, that people can submit their wireshark logs to, as proof, and to also filter out the normal stuff, and make a public log of the actual fake/forged packets.
It is my understanding, the way this system is working, it not only sends fake packets to people on the isp that is running this sandvine equipment, but it also sends fake packets to the other peers involved.
It seems to me, some of these other victims isps might want to know that forged and abusive packets are being sent to their end users...
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JasonD
@comcast.net
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Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests
Surely you jest. Bittorent is the scourge of the internet and should be stopped, Comcast is doing it way too politely. As for the EFF, well their focus should be on where it would matter most for consumers. Instead of frivolous suits and claims against corporate entities (which is bad for business and raises prices for consumers) they should be investigating and going after phishers, scammers, spammers, and online pirates. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to SilverSurfer
How exactly has the EFF done this great miracle? The EFF is a mouthpiece that occasionally has valid arguments of concern for the Internet populace, but I fail to see how they've been a savior for the Western Hemisphere. BTW, what percentage of the market does AT&T and Verizon own? |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| Just enable QOS define bittorrent and such as "Bulk"
QOS was designed to deal with these problems and would be very effective if used properly to ensure people are getting the service they expect.
There are devices out there as well that can do deep packet inspection to identify those who would try to circumvent normal port based QOS and mark their packets accordingly.
Comcast is just doing this as a means of saving face where they've oversubscribed areas beyond what they're comfortable in spending on a upgrade.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
| *ANY* user, *ANY* BT traffic
This is bullshit!
No ISP should be doing a blanket protocol kill!
Guy down the street, running wide open 24/7 and every movie/music file known and chewing hundreds of GB? Boot him!
You or I trying to do a little "Distributed Bandwidth"(WoW/software patchs, Linux, LEGAL HD Videos, whatever) and maintain a 1:1 ratio but we get hosed by this nonsense?
Eat me!
While I have basically moved on to better sources for "things", there is the occasional BT use for LEGAL items done here.
My ratio is getting trashed.
Low ratios get you less speed.
Low ratios can get you banned.
Gee! Thanks! 
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Mashimaro
Problematic
join:2003-09-25
Alexander City, AL | reply to JasonD
Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests
Says the anonymous Comcast employee. |
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Mashimaro
Problematic
join:2003-09-25
Alexander City, AL | reply to dadkins
Re: *ANY* user, *ANY* BT traffic
Please show me some legal torrents where low ratios get you banned. |
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Zaber
When all are gone, there shall be none
join:2000-06-08
Cleveland, OH
clubs:
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·XO COMMUNICATIONS
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to JasonD
Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests
said by JasonD :
...Bittorent is the scourge of the internet...
Justify your statement.
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
1 edit | reply to Mashimaro
Re: *ANY* user, *ANY* BT traffic
said by Mashimaro :Please show me some legal torrents where low ratios get you banned. Here ya go, sparky. Unlike the **AAs, who are hellbent on making themselves obsolete, the NHL wants to generate interest in the sport of ice hockey. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| reply to openbox9
Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests
said by openbox9 :How exactly has the EFF done this great miracle? You can familiarize yourself by starting here. There are a number of factual, actual, quantifiable, qualitative case histories sufficient to get you started.
said by openbox9 :The EFF is a mouthpiece that occasionally has valid arguments of concern for the Internet populace, but I fail to see how they've been a savior for the Western Hemisphere. Your conjecture and opinion.
said by openbox9 :BTW, what percentage of the market does AT&T and Verizon own? Irrelevant in the face of the simple fact that the telcos have been vying for role of gatekeeper since the Net's inception. |
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Da Geek Kid
join:2003-10-11
Mclean, VA | reply to JasonD
surely yer full of $#!t...
Comcast should never be in a business that can't handle the load. We all know they cannot handle that much traffic per customer... |
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ptrowski
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| reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
Surely you jest. Bittorent is the scourge of the internet and should be stopped, Comcast is doing it way too politely. As for the EFF, well their focus should be on where it would matter most for consumers. Instead of frivolous suits and claims against corporate entities (which is bad for business and raises prices for consumers) they should be investigating and going after phishers, scammers, spammers, and online pirates.
Wow, it looks like the Comcast shills are at the party already!
I would tend to think that the EFF is going after scammers as Comcast is trying to scam their customers under the guise of "network management".
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to Mashimaro
Re: *ANY* user, *ANY* BT traffic
Go to the tracker of your choice where you are a member.
One where you are logged and your ratio is displayed.
One where they state that if your ratio falls too low or you do nothing bet leech - banned!
Remember Demonoid? Sure you do!
They had a few legal torrents.
They also had a ratio policy.
Demonoid is gone now though.
If Demonoid was still up, and I were to continue downloading - whatever, and Comcast was trashing my upload, guess what would happen... Yep! Ban City!
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spanglo
Premium
join:2004-05-17
San Diego, CA | reply to Mashimaro
Mashimaro don't be a douche.
Throttling EVERYBODY is wrong. Gross Offenders should be the ones throttled if they bust the cap - no one else. Otherwise there's a whole bunch of us who feel like we're not getting the service we're paying for. |
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ptrowski
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| reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :My ratio is getting trashed. Low ratios get you less speed. Low ratios can get you banned.Gee! Thanks! And game, set, match Comcast achieves exactly what they set out to do.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
1 edit | reply to Mashimaro
Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests
Yup... I suspect it as well.
CableCo/Telco will raise bandwidth rates IF there's low usage.
Eg. 20Mbps connection isn't an issue if there's low usage.
This works similar to an old fashioned Telco CO, where there's a fixed capacity for lets say 40% at any one time (i.e. 40% of the phones can be calling at the same time).
Typical Internet usage (browsing, video clips,downloads) support this model
Bittorrent is a chatty protocol, and many would see this as excess traffic, or consider it as 'running servers', in a method to deter the usage of p2p/Bittorrent. An old telco equivalent would think of this as having multiple people connecting to a local # and leaving the 2 connections open. Get enough of this, and capacity issues arise.
I don't justify it... if they can't support 20Mbps, then don't offer it. Offering it, then packet shaping / filtering / throttling apps at their discression is not the answer.
Why not do it the old / AOL style:
5Mbps 'Internet' (unrestricted) = $60
20Mbps 'proxied/filtered/restricted Internet want to be' $45
This will solve this issue. Sell the Internet as the what it is. Sell a proxied/ad filled/content pushed/cookie based/data mined AOL wannabe as an alternative.
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gateguy
Premium
join:2001-02-12
Reisterstown, MD | reply to JasonD
I use the Bittorent client built into World of Warcraft to send and receive patches. That is the only time I use any sort of P2P software (that I am aware of).
Does that make me part of the scourge? |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
2 edits | reply to ptrowski
Re: *ANY* user, *ANY* BT traffic
said by ptrowski :said by dadkins :My ratio is getting trashed. Low ratios get you less speed. Low ratios can get you banned.Gee! Thanks! And game, set, match Comcast achieves exactly what they set out to do. Yeah, so much for everyone that may have an actual use for BT.
Horseshit!
It would be one thing if it was competing for something offered by Comcast or a Comcast affiliate(payola) - but it's not!
Me and my Network Killing 30GB(Thirty Gigabyte)*TOTAL* monthly use is waxing their bottom line, huh?
30GB per month(Total, both ways) is not harming ANYONE ELSE! Period!
Let alone what little of that is actual BT traffic. 
But... my paltry BT usage is getting trashed along side Joe Bandwidth Hog.
Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense, don't it? 
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