P Ness
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| Can't support, But will sell it, Advertise it as 100mbps
just like their "unlimited" features...which are really not unlimited at all
they will sell the 100 and if you even get it once they will call it correct
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priller
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| Don't all flush the toilet at once!
Folks, the ENTIRE Internet is shared bandwidth. Not everybody in the world, or in a telco CO, is going to initiate a massive download simultaneously.
This reminds me of the erroneous (and hopefully dead) argument that DSL is dedicated and cable is shared bandwidth. It all has to come together at some point.
It's all about traffic engineering. Nobody should ever expect that 100% of the customers will get 100% of their provisioned bandwidth 100% of the time. |
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DotMac4
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| Don't offer it if you can't support it
I just hope Verizon doesn't pull a Comcast by advertising big speeds then traffic shaping everything into the ground.
The current offerings from FiOS are great and already kill cable. Rather than push speed offerings even higher it woudl be nice if they rolled back prices considering in my service area they've already taken a 12% increase in HSI rates.
If the budget DSL plans proved anything, it's that PRICE, not speed is king in getting subscribers.
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MarkyD
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Re: Can't support, But will sell it, Advertise it as 100mbps
this is no different than what cable does now. If everyone in my neighborhood used their 12/1 pipe to full capacity, the network would slow to a crawl.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
| Building for failure
Whichever network builds out the fastest, with more capabilitys and capacity will win.
The excuses are thin on not deploying, we have a clear need for more bandwidth in the past 5 years.
We dont need it cause were too busy spending trillions killing arabs. |
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tiger72
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Re: Can't support, But will sell it, Advertise it as 100mbps
said by P Ness  :just like their "unlimited" features...which are really not unlimited at all they will sell the 100 and if you even get it once they will call it correct so?
At this point, not very many people would actually use it. Having faster downloads (thus speeding up transfers) would also mean that when people actually use those pipes (and on the exceedingly rare occasion that the SERVER can actually send at 100mbps), users will finish their files quickly and be done with their downloading, freeing up bandwidth quicker.
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pnh102
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Re: Building for failure
said by gaforces :We dont need it cause were too busy spending trillions killing arabs. Yea... if Verizon stops doing that, they could put FIOS everywhere!
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gaforces
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| said by pnh102 :said by gaforces :We dont need it cause were too busy spending trillions killing arabs. Yea... if Verizon stops doing that, they could put FIOS everywhere! Why must you twist what other people write? I said WE 
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tschmidt
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Re: Don't all flush the toilet at once!
said by priller : It's all about traffic engineering. Agree
FIOS allows Verizon to deliver whatever speed market requires without changes to outside plant. This is a tremendous advantage since cost to roll out higher speed service is low. As Verizon markets higher speed end user packages and as developers figure out ways to exploit this capability Verizon will need to increase backbone capacity. Doesn't make sense to spend money on capacity if it is not being used. This is a basic traffic-engineering problem.
All Internet service is shared at some point. However where it is shared and how expensive it is to increase capacity is critical. DSL has an advantage over Cable because while customer drop has less capacity then DOCSIS sharing occurs at the DSLAM rather then Cable node making it much cheaper to add capacity.
Considering the rather conservative nature of legacy Telco’s I'm pleasantly surprised Verizon is moving so aggressively. I have every confidence Wall Street naysayers will be proven wrong. My complaint is they are not interested in bringing FIOS to northern New England and are trying to sell off VT/NH/ME.
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pnh102
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Re: Building for failure
said by gaforces :Why must you twist what other people write? I said WE Then don't present a false dichotomy. Verizon's network deployments have nothing to do with US foreign policy spending choices.
Meanwhile, I will continue praying to the FIOS gods that I might be able to get this service someday.
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Jodokast96
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Re: Don't all flush the toilet at once!
The problem is that Verzion is already screwing this up, at least with DSL. Brooklyn and Queens has been a mess almost constantly for almost 9 months now. The good 'ole evening slow down. Nothing wrong with doing it if you can adjust for it properly. |
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houkouonchi
join:2002-07-22
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said by priller :This reminds me of the erroneous (and hopefully dead) argument that DSL is dedicated and cable is shared bandwidth. It all has to come together at some point. Yes except with cable the bottleneck is literally in your neighborhood not at the peering/backbone level like with DSL. Most cable bottlenecks are the nodes and not the bandwidth at the CMTS. Because of this I get the same speed on my DSL lines 24/7 but when I had charter 10mb/1mb cable my download would be slower than my upload during peak hours because of node saturation. Why do you think the only people that are capping and stuff are cable companies? It isn't because of the bandwidth used with the actual providers the ISP uses (level3, global crossing, cogent, etc....) it is because the bandwidth being used on the highly limited bandwidth of the node. Also people say how with verizon offering symmetrical speeds that there network is going to die from too much over-subscription/bandwidth usage but I think what most people don't get is all ISPs have tons of free upstream bandwidth as the average joe is mostly downloading and never uploading so there is more than enough upload capacity to offer this.
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gaforces
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Santa Cruz, CA
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Re: Building for failure
Not once did I mention verizon in my post.
If you care to hide your head in the sand, I wont try to stop you.
That report with the 15th place is getting around >>
»www.oecd.org/document/7/0,3343,e···,00.html
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_···t_access
""Broadband penetration" is now treated as a key economic indicator" |
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pnh102
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| said by gaforces :""Broadband penetration" is now treated as a key economic indicator" If the US economy wasn't the first or second largest in the world (trading places with the entire EU as a single entity), then that might be a true statement.
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cableties
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|  100Mbs/UP and 2Mbs/Down
And then due to over-estimation, you'll still be billed for the 100/2 plan, but get 5/2 !!!
* I rant this as I spent 30 minutes with V.Billing (10 minutes was just getting the _____ Automated attendant to get me to where I needed! Once again, the tech support and FIOS are reliable, but the billing negates their advance!
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Can't support, But will sell it, Advertise it as 100mbps
said by P Ness :just like their "unlimited" features...which are really not unlimited at all they will sell the 100 and if you even get it once they will call it correct No different than what is offered in Japan & South Korea. Some high density areas offer 50 mbps to apartments and homes, but their backbones can't deliver that to everyone all the time. They use over-subscription methods there to. What many refuse to accept is that it is financially impossible to offer those speeds if the users use the bandwidth for more than a small % of the time. That is why the non-stop 24x7 P2P model is so detrimental to network management. If a system had to actually deliver 100 mbps to every home 100% of the time, no one could afford to pay for it.
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gaforces
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Santa Cruz, CA | reply to pnh102
Re: Building for failure
A falling economy is just the first symptom of more problems.
Our future and quality of life are jeapordized by our position NOW in broadband penetration.
If we build to fail, it will do exactly that. |
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JSRoman
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Re: Don't offer it if you can't support it
Price rollback? You must be smoking some really good stuff. NO big player will roll prices back as long as Wall Street exist. You will though continue to see promo prices with most likely some type of long term contract 12-24 months.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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Re: Can't support, But will sell it, Advertise it as 100mbps
said by tiger72 :so? At this point, not very many people would actually use it. Having faster downloads (thus speeding up transfers) would also mean that when people actually use those pipes (and on the exceedingly rare occasion that the SERVER can actually send at 100mbps), users will finish their files quickly and be done with their downloading, freeing up bandwidth quicker.
I seriously would like to do this as a real world test.
Would network traffic go down if people got their files faster? |
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DotMac4
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Re: Don't offer it if you can't support it
Verizon rolled back DSL prices. When I first signed up with DSL from them it was $50, by the end $15-$30 and this is while speed increased 300%. From the price cuts, telcos kills cable in subscriber adds. Lowering prices isn't unheard of. |
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