W8ASA
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1 edit | "Without Users' Permission"
"As a general principle, we believe that maintaining the Internet as a neutral platform means that carriers shouldn't be able to interfere with Web content without users' permission," End Quote
The last three words of this quote are key. The way I read it is that Google wants a piece of the action somehow, and are just trying to give the impression that they want to protect the user. If there's a buck to be made, Google will figure it out.
Why can't those ISPS send their users an e-mail to tell them that they are exceeding the caps? Or possibly a telephone call?
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GlenQuagmire
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Google can crush Rogers with their wallet.
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MagMan
Life is simpler when you tell the truth.
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Westlake, OH | Money
Money is the root of all evil. 
The almighty dollar !!
Which has not been all that almighty of late. |
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DiscardedVet
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Sturgis, SD
| Analogy
Isn't this tantamount to ....... Walmart opening and reading my snail-mail, then insterting adverts correlating to what the content of the mail is?
I pay the post office to deliver my mail as sent by the original sender.
It would be illegal for Walmart to read it.
I pay my ISP to deliver my content as sent by the original site.
Why is it not illegal for them to read it (Packet inspect)?
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MysticGogeta
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Re: Money
Yes but Google probally could buy out Rogers if it wanted to. |
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shashinka
join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA
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Re: Analogy
said by DiscardedVet  :Isn't this tantamount to ....... Walmart opening and reading my snail-mail, then insterting adverts correlating to what the content of the mail is? I pay the post office to deliver my mail as sent by the original sender. It would be illegal for Walmart to read it. I pay my ISP to deliver my content as sent by the original site. Why is it not illegal for them to read it (Packet inspect)? It all depends on what they are doing. If they are just giving you system messages then that is fine my be. But if they start advertising over what I am looking at then that I have a problem with. If I want to visit a site with ads that is my choice. It is my choice to block or allow them. If Roger's or another ISP takes it further then that is wrong. |
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newview
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| reply to DiscardedVet
said by DiscardedVet :Isn't this tantamount to ....... Walmart opening and reading my snail-mail, then insterting adverts correlating to what the content of the mail is? Or television stations inserting content over the top of broadcasting content . . . oh wait . . . they do that NOW.
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bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY | reply to DiscardedVet
Maybe someone at Google is smart enough to bury a couple of lines of java or activex code in their web pages to remove the code inserted by Rogers. |
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Rob
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| reply to newview
said by newview :said by DiscardedVet :Isn't this tantamount to ....... Walmart opening and reading my snail-mail, then insterting adverts correlating to what the content of the mail is? Or television stations inserting content over the top of broadcasting content . . . oh wait . . . they do that NOW. When they were doing it in the bottom left/right corner with no sound, it was manageable. Now the ads have gotten bigger and have noise, which distracts from the show.
Funny how they don't do it during commercials |
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Vertickle
join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL
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Re: Money
said by MagMan :Money is the root of all evil. I thought it was "the love of money is the root of all evil"?  |
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MysticGogeta
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Maxo
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Re: "Without Users' Permission"
This tactic by Rogers gives them an unfair advantage over other ad suppliers because Rogers gets premium access to their customers. While Google has to fight to get their ad content to consumers, Rogers gets a free ride.
This is exactly what the network neutrality debate is all about, fair access to consumers. |
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MagMan
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Re: Money
That also.
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to DiscardedVet
Re: Analogy
WTF does Wal-mart have to do with anything, other than the fact that it's fashionable to ridicule them? |
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phantasm11b
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Winter Park, FL | It's called an Analogy. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| reply to bgraham
said by bgraham :Maybe someone at Google is smart enough to bury a couple of lines of java or activex code in their web pages to remove the code inserted by Rogers. Not even that would be necessary. Switch Google over to https and you will have an encrypted end-to-end link. No injecting code in to that stream unless you are up to cracking the encryption. |
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TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB | Maybe all site should start doing https.
Oh wait... security certificates are not cheap. |
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baj475
join:2004-11-02
Chico, CA | reply to bgraham
The post says that content is being injected via javascript. Is there any reason why NoScript would not automatically block the script? |
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Readin da mails
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said by DiscardedVet :Isn't this tantamount to ....... Walmart opening and reading my snail-mail, then insterting adverts correlating to what the content of the mail is? Well if that's the case, you can make the same argument about why Gmail itself is bad. It, too, "reads" mail and inserts ads that are "suggested" by the contents of the email.
said by DiscardedVet :I pay my ISP to deliver my content as sent by the original site. Where, specifically, in your TOS does it say that you're paying the ISP to "deliver content as sent by the original site?"
I don't blame you for feeling that way, but I also think you might be confusing what you *want* with what your ISP is legally *obligated* to provide.
Big difference.
said by DiscardedVet :Why is it not illegal for them to read it (Packet inspect)? Likely because the TOS that you agreed to when you signed up for service does not specifically prohibit them from doing this.
I'm not entirely convinced that tampering with "web content" is equivalent with "tampering with the mails" in legal circles. |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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Parsonsburg, MD
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said by Rob :said by newview :said by DiscardedVet :Isn't this tantamount to ....... Walmart opening and reading my snail-mail, then insterting adverts correlating to what the content of the mail is? Or television stations inserting content over the top of broadcasting content . . . oh wait . . . they do that NOW. When they were doing it in the bottom left/right corner with no sound, it was manageable. Now the ads have gotten bigger and have noise, which distracts from the show. Not only is it distracting . . . it's damn disruptive. I particularly loathe the ones that show up to cover sub-titled dialog during key parts of the plot.
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