Cabal
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| No problem, we got this covered
If you can't cry network neutrality, you can most certainly cry Sandvine!
Sandvine killed my dog. And my mother.
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Camelot One
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Sarasota, FL
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| The best way to kill the debate......
Why would companies want to spend money arguing against it? Just start up their own astroturf orgs that will point out every BS neutrality claim, leading to no one caring when the real violations come along.
Oh wait.....the opposition is already doing that for them.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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3 edits |  It is too late to put Humpty Dumpty back together again
It is too late to bring common sense to the network neutrality debate. The network neutrality advocates have been screaming from the rooftops for over a year about how the telcos and cable companies are the devil incarnate. Now that they have revved up the bleating masses of music stealers and P2P advocates that network neutrality as an issue is more important than food or fuel or mortgages, they can't rein them back in. So all these fanatics are running around looking for network neutrality violations in every internet hiccup.
And BBR has done much to fan the flames in the past:
»www.google.com/search?q=report+%···filter=0
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moonpuppy
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Glen Burnie, MD
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| Considering how the ISPs lie anyway...
....why should we think any different?
You call up with a problem only to be told to reboot your system and modem because it must be your problem. 
I had Comcast tell me that I shouldn't be receiving ANY digital TV channels and yet both of my TVs were getting them and then one day, they stopped coming in. CSR told me my antenna must be the problem. |
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DownTheShore
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Beautiful NJ
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| said by moonpuppy  :....why should we think any different? You call up with a problem only to be told to reboot your system and modem because it must be your problem. I think these companies are reaping what they've sown due to their ofttimes shoddy customer service responses, as moonpuppy mentioned.
A great number of us have gotten told that the fault for the problem was on our end, when it turned out that the fault was on the provider's end - which WE knew right from the start. We've all seen the providers dance around giving honest answers to questions about capping, throttling, redirection, etc., that our willingness to believe them unquestioningly is long gone.
There is no automatic trust anymore. A siege mentality has developed. We know that a lot of the big providers are not proponents of net neutrality because it can cut into their revenue stream. So, since we no longer trust their first explanations for problems anymore, it's natural that the net neutrality issue is going to be the first one raised.
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Dr Demento
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join:2002-01-02
Denville, NJ
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Re: It is too late to put Humpty Dumpty back together again
If telcos and cable ISPs didn't put so much into lobbying, and even jumping the gun on justifying their network's current packet shaping schemes, these wackos as you put them wouldn't have a reason to feel paranoid.
Also congressmen and the FCC among other government officials only adhere to an issue if people are kicking down the doors and scream about it, and I do imply sometimes literally.  |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
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Belvidere, NJ
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But, what about the moon calves and whackadoodles who defend antu-customer moves by cables and telcos out of hand?
Not that they can be found on BBR, mind you. 
I know, I know, we should all genuflect to Our Corporate Betters and trust in their wise and altruistic decisions.
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
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Belvidere, NJ | This article...
Is clearly a violation of Network Neutrality, as are your shoes and whatever you had for breakfast. Karl, you go sit on the Bad Boy Bench.
My brain shall now explode. |
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JasonD
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Re: It is too late to put Humpty Dumpty back together again
HCT- If Ed Whitacre and Sen. Stevens hadn't made their remarks public in the way they did (Ed was inflammatory, Sen. Ted bumbling), bittorrent could have been put out of business by now.
Sometimes they gotta realize when not to put their problems up for public debate, not drawing attention to possible solutions, and keeping oxygen away from these net-neutrality fanatics.
Ultimately though, I think it will all work out. AT&T (and everyone else eventually) is preparing a surgical strike on pirated files, which should eliminate some 99% of bittorrent and other p2p traffic. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by JasonD :
AT&T (and everyone else eventually) is preparing a surgical strike on pirated files, which should eliminate some 99% of bittorrent and other p2p traffic.
And what method of surgical strike is that? |
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N O Y B
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join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR | No One Been Crying Fire, Fire, Here at BBR More Than You
Seems a little hypocritically if you ask me.
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DotMac4
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Re: It is too late to put Humpty Dumpty back together again
VideoDNA
»AT&T Piracy Filters Tread Dangerous Ground |
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Jason Levine
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USA
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I don't see AT&T (or pretty much anyone) being able to effectively tell the difference between a pirated video file, one that falls under Fair Use (e.g. »cyberlaw.stanford.edu/documentar···use-tale ), or one might be somewhat similar to another copyrighted film but is permitted to be distributed online (either because it is in the public domain or because the copyright owner permitted the distribution).
I foresee many false positives and false negatives in AT&T's future. Many innocent consumers (whose videos are either Permitted or Fair Use) will be negatively impacted by false positives. Meanwhile, the pirates will quickly find a way around it and their videos will generate plenty of false negatives.
In addition, AT&T might lose their Common Carrier ISP status and might become liable for everything coming through their pipe. So even if they are successful at slowing down movie pirating on their network, they could all of a sudden be liable for every child porn website, threatening e-mail sent/received, and hacking event that crosses their routers.
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MrMoody
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join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | reply to DotMac4
That may stop some things from getting on Youtube, etc, but it won't even make a blip in P2P.
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24 | reply to N O Y B
Re: No One Been Crying Fire, Fire, Here at BBR More Than You
Personally I think leading the "Too much NN news!" crusade could be a good way to make up for past transgressions. |
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